So I'll begin with your derogatory comment.
1. Nearly everyone with an education in linguistics will say it is. People with no education in linguistics will often say it isn't. I think you'll agree that "idiots" are more likely to fall within the second group. Don't believe me? Ask anyone with a linguistics degree from a reputable institution. Anyone.
2. Pig Latin is a language game. It does not have any native speakers. Comparing Pig Latin with AAE is like comparing Mario Kart to being a racing driver.
3. Basically, although you probably won't admit it to yourself, the only reason for claiming AAE isn't a language is racism. You can't base such an argument on any characteristic of AAE itself, because not a single relevant fact supports that conclusion. No matter how much people try to dress it up, in the end it boils down to saying that the way white people speak is good, and the way black people speak is bad.
4. None of the above means I don't think people – black or otherwise – shouldn't be taught to communicate in Standard English. Different forms of language are appropriate in different contexts. Standard English is appropriate at a job interview in an English-speaking country, but not when you're at home arguing with your family about who does the dishes. I say this because people often don't understand that I can say AAE is not "bad English" while at the same time not saying schoolchildren should be allowed to write papers in textspeak.
It isn't. But idiots think it is.
1. Nearly everyone with an education in linguistics will say it is. People with no education in linguistics will often say it isn't. I think you'll agree that "idiots" are more likely to fall within the second group. Don't believe me? Ask anyone with a linguistics degree from a reputable institution. Anyone.
2. Pig Latin is a language game. It does not have any native speakers. Comparing Pig Latin with AAE is like comparing Mario Kart to being a racing driver.
3. Basically, although you probably won't admit it to yourself, the only reason for claiming AAE isn't a language is racism. You can't base such an argument on any characteristic of AAE itself, because not a single relevant fact supports that conclusion. No matter how much people try to dress it up, in the end it boils down to saying that the way white people speak is good, and the way black people speak is bad.
4. None of the above means I don't think people – black or otherwise – shouldn't be taught to communicate in Standard English. Different forms of language are appropriate in different contexts. Standard English is appropriate at a job interview in an English-speaking country, but not when you're at home arguing with your family about who does the dishes. I say this because people often don't understand that I can say AAE is not "bad English" while at the same time not saying schoolchildren should be allowed to write papers in textspeak.
Vigilantibus non dormientibus jura subveniunt.
—Nous disons en allemand : le guerre, le mort, le lune, alors que 'soleil' et 'amour' sont du sexe féminin : la soleil, la amour. La vie est neutre.
—La vie ? Neutre ? C'est très joli, et surtout très logique.
—Nous disons en allemand : le guerre, le mort, le lune, alors que 'soleil' et 'amour' sont du sexe féminin : la soleil, la amour. La vie est neutre.
—La vie ? Neutre ? C'est très joli, et surtout très logique.
So what EXACTLY is the problem with Reid's comments?
12/01/2010 04:11:56 AM
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it wasn't just that he commented on the lack of "dialect"
12/01/2010 04:16:27 AM
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Regardless of that, I don't see the ability to use dialect as a racist statement.
12/01/2010 04:32:07 AM
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when was the last time you heard a white person speaking ebonics?
12/01/2010 01:41:24 PM
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A week or so ago.
12/01/2010 08:09:09 PM
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Isn't that the definition of a wigger? A white person who speaks/acts like a black person?
12/01/2010 09:49:34 PM
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And the fact that Wigger = White N****r isn't racist at all! *NM*
12/01/2010 10:33:04 PM
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I wasn't using the term seriously 9_9
13/01/2010 04:26:20 AM
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Mocking white people for "acting like black people" by modifying a slur on blacks... hm... *NM*
13/01/2010 06:50:46 AM
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You know, what IS a good term for black people these days?
12/01/2010 04:36:33 AM
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I just use "black"
12/01/2010 02:27:16 PM
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Why is it OK to discriminate on the grounds of language but not race?
12/01/2010 08:23:21 AM
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Please tell me you were joking... *NM*
12/01/2010 01:29:37 PM
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Your AAE is a language the way that Pig Latin is a language.
12/01/2010 06:38:35 PM
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You know, arguing what a language is with a linguist is pretty much set up for failure *NM*
12/01/2010 07:58:42 PM
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I recall having a similar discussion on this very topic a few years ago with Tim.
12/01/2010 08:10:53 PM
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Re: I recall having a similar discussion on this very topic a few years ago with Tim.
12/01/2010 09:06:01 PM
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Maybe, but having knowledge of the topic wasn't one of my advantages in that argument. *NM*
13/01/2010 03:36:31 AM
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I don't even know where to begin.
12/01/2010 09:43:21 PM
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That third point is going a bit far.
12/01/2010 10:06:08 PM
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You're right, I was conflating two separate points.
12/01/2010 10:14:48 PM
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Well, it still only applies...
12/01/2010 10:24:08 PM
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You ascribe too much intelligence to the average American racist .
12/01/2010 10:30:39 PM
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You're guessing at people's motives and making what appear to be broad, unsupported assertions
12/01/2010 11:04:47 PM
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I don't mean they're racist in all respects.
13/01/2010 06:52:20 AM
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Your defintion of racism and sexism seems to massively differ from mine
13/01/2010 03:37:46 PM
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I had to think about this for a few days, but I've now worked out my answer.
16/01/2010 01:59:25 PM
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I had no problems with them. And I don't even like the guy and hope he loses his reelection battle.
12/01/2010 03:32:42 PM
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Who seriously uses the term "Negro dialect" anymore?
13/01/2010 02:00:15 AM
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It's not the word "Negro" in "Magic Negro" that's the most offensive part. *NM*
13/01/2010 09:16:20 AM
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