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This is an excellent post. Except for the bit on iced tea. Iced tea is delicious in any form. *NM* Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 07:48:23 PM
It was one of my favorite running jokes 'Studies show that our drinking water contains obscene amounts of dihydrogen monoxide' was always my favorite part, usually by then one of the people in the group had figured it out and looked like they were about to fall on the floor laughing, typically about the same time some know-it-all-wannabe said "It's true, I've heard about that"

Well, on to AGW.

1/2. So, do you believe that humans are causing global warming? Or is it natural?

I believe that humans are currently capable, due to our numbers and industrialization, of having major impacts on the atmosphere and biosphere, intentional or otherwise. The exact nature of that effect is debatable, but CO2 acts as an insulator in our sort of atmosphere without significantly increasing Earth's albedo (reflectivity) - most of the other factors tend to generate feedback, positive, negative, or both and current models do not reliably link the various factors together for solid predicitions, but there are heavy indications that the net effect should be warming.

I like to think of all the various effects as coffee. If you add in creamer, it stays warmer longer, but the lighter color reflects away light whereas black coffee absorbs it, so if you stick it under a very bright light (sun) it becomes a contest as to which effect dominates, and that depends on shape of the coffee mug, brightness of the light, percentage of creamer, etc. Each of the feedback cycles represent different mugs of coffee. In many cases both effects will be dwarfed by other factors, like sticking the coffee out in the snow or on a coffee warming plate. Sort of like having a white car, theoretically a white car moves faster for less fuel when moving with the sun on it's rear than a different color car, but the effect is virtually nil, however if you've seen one of those little whirlie-gigs in a bell jar with one white panel and one black, you will notice that if you flip a light on it will begin spinnning, from that very same effect.

As one might guess, I like coffee. But whatever the net effect, I think one has to acknowledge that adding creamer to coffee significantly alters the dynamics of the system, creame rof course being CO2 in this analogy, which is why I try to think of myself not so much as a AGW supporter as a Artificial Climate Change supporter, which of course mankind has been doing for millenia to greater or lesser degree, a habit we share with beavers, we're just much better at it.

3. Do you believe in global warming at all?

Too simple or complex a question, the simple answer is 'yes, of course, we have ice ages and warm spells after all' the complex answer shifts back into AGW.

4. Do you like iced tea?

It's okay, I need some mint, lemon, or rasberry in it to really enjoy it, and a bit of sugar.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Do you believe in man-made global warming? - 02/12/2009 06:36:46 PM 1002 Views
less and less these days - 02/12/2009 06:47:17 PM 802 Views
Why is that? - 02/12/2009 06:49:13 PM 728 Views
can't stand sweet tea - 02/12/2009 10:14:05 PM 710 Views
Mmm. Brown kool-aid *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:25:29 PM 434 Views
I believe that we are contributing. But I do not believe that global warming is entirely man-made. - 02/12/2009 06:49:54 PM 758 Views
Ditto. *NM* - 02/12/2009 06:51:26 PM 433 Views
Thank you - 02/12/2009 06:51:34 PM 715 Views
same here *NM* - 02/12/2009 11:34:05 PM 410 Views
I don't feel like being in any arguments about it, but - 02/12/2009 06:50:58 PM 782 Views
Re: I don't feel like being in any arguments about it, but - 02/12/2009 07:00:34 PM 859 Views
LOL, I used to screw with people about dihydrogen monoxide poisoning - 02/12/2009 07:13:33 PM 1135 Views
Awesome - 02/12/2009 07:46:55 PM 829 Views
This is an excellent post. Except for the bit on iced tea. Iced tea is delicious in any form. *NM* - 02/12/2009 07:48:23 PM 560 Views
*nod* *NM* - 02/12/2009 08:38:39 PM 439 Views
I must respectfully disagree - 02/12/2009 09:14:37 PM 752 Views
You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 02/12/2009 09:31:30 PM 738 Views
*bows to Tea Master* *NM* - 02/12/2009 09:36:56 PM 449 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 02/12/2009 09:44:41 PM 799 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 02/12/2009 10:11:29 PM 605 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 02/12/2009 10:17:00 PM 818 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 03/12/2009 12:34:49 AM 778 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 03/12/2009 03:14:04 AM 725 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 03/12/2009 04:18:22 AM 766 Views
I surrender! No more Haikus - 03/12/2009 05:00:37 AM 914 Views
weakling!! - 03/12/2009 05:15:31 AM 872 Views
Re: weakling!! - 03/12/2009 05:38:11 AM 1019 Views
Issac a problem? - 03/12/2009 07:14:40 AM 663 Views
because that's how the actual name is spelled? - 03/12/2009 01:09:36 PM 737 Views
Um... no it isn't? *NM* - 04/12/2009 06:18:14 AM 437 Views
I used to misspell my cousin's name that way - 03/12/2009 04:13:09 PM 940 Views
It was awesome, though! A Haiku Hijack *NM* - 03/12/2009 05:32:58 AM 435 Views
Wouldn't that make it a Haijack? *NM* - 03/12/2009 10:33:08 PM 418 Views
*NM* - 03/12/2009 11:58:35 PM 447 Views
What Ghavey Said. - 02/12/2009 09:36:06 PM 629 Views
This raises the whole sweet tea vs iced tea thingy - 02/12/2009 09:49:46 PM 848 Views
one can use crap tea for sweet tea - 02/12/2009 09:54:00 PM 676 Views
Valid point - 02/12/2009 10:07:04 PM 756 Views
The problem is that you're one state too far east. - 02/12/2009 10:09:19 PM 657 Views
Not exactly a fan of Louisiana or Akansas either *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:17:48 PM 407 Views
There's no way you can say no to creole food. - 02/12/2009 10:32:06 PM 668 Views
You're right there, even "No! Please!" Doesn't work *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:34:18 PM 392 Views
once you start adding mint or rasberry it really isn't tea anymore *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:15:16 PM 519 Views
1 Doubt it, 2 Suspect it if true (sunspots anyone? ) 3 Indifferent either way 4 No. - 02/12/2009 07:16:05 PM 845 Views
Sunspots are actually colder than the surrounding area, which is why they appear black - 02/12/2009 07:26:26 PM 772 Views
I meant using them as an indicator of solar activity - the REAL cause of climate change - 03/12/2009 11:33:25 AM 647 Views
I see - 03/12/2009 04:19:20 PM 762 Views
Oh boy. - 02/12/2009 08:14:48 PM 892 Views
Re: Oh boy. - 02/12/2009 08:38:17 PM 730 Views
Re: Do you believe in man-made global warming? - 02/12/2009 08:15:43 PM 786 Views
I like this answer, too - 02/12/2009 08:42:16 PM 803 Views
Also, I love tea! - 02/12/2009 10:56:59 PM 655 Views
Tea is awesome - 03/12/2009 02:50:23 AM 710 Views
Ever go to a resaurant and order sweet tea... - 05/12/2009 09:40:53 AM 599 Views
I've never ordered sweet tea - 05/12/2009 04:08:30 PM 748 Views
I think there is both natural global warming and man-made global warming. And thank goodness! - 02/12/2009 08:53:35 PM 761 Views
Isn't it about every 15,000 years that ice ages come back? - 02/12/2009 08:57:30 PM 668 Views
They vary. - 02/12/2009 09:02:49 PM 675 Views
There's nothing wrong with a little snow - 02/12/2009 09:09:40 PM 649 Views
i think the key word there was "little" - 02/12/2009 09:38:42 PM 730 Views
1. No ; 2. Natural ; 3. Yes ; 4. No - 02/12/2009 08:55:05 PM 812 Views
No? - 02/12/2009 09:00:53 PM 602 Views
I don't have enough data. - 02/12/2009 09:59:12 PM 768 Views
Re: I don't have enough data. - 02/12/2009 10:30:57 PM 801 Views
Yes, Yes, Yes, No (in that order) *NM* - 02/12/2009 11:23:07 PM 406 Views
I'm really in this for the ice tea question, but I'll answer all of it. - 03/12/2009 02:38:13 AM 1203 Views
A little lemon is good, yes - 03/12/2009 02:52:53 AM 666 Views
it's not like it's a freaking deity to believe in. - 03/12/2009 03:08:09 AM 767 Views
LOL - 03/12/2009 03:12:36 AM 751 Views
Re: Do you believe in man-made global warming? - 03/12/2009 03:13:19 AM 778 Views
Yes, I believe humans are largely responsible for global warming. And iced tea sucks *NM* - 03/12/2009 05:12:28 AM 498 Views
Bah! So many crazy people here *NM* - 03/12/2009 05:33:35 AM 390 Views

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