The last few posts of Joel's I've read seemed to consist of such highlights as calling for war with China for the crime of buying up US debt and claiming the only reason the UK would be able to leave the EU peacefully and not be invaded as a result would be because the UK has nuclear weapons.
Nor exactly relevant to this discussion, but if we're going to debate my sanity on the CMB I suppose I'm obliged to contribute my two cents if only as a case study (gee, I'm so glad I came back, if only briefly.... )
China's doing a great deal more than buying our debt. Forcing a USN plane in international airspace to land in China, where the crew was held hostage while the plane was dissected was, in point of fact, an act of war; we chose another route. Chinas leadership has openly stated they consider themselves in a competition with the US they intend to win, and if you think that competition is purely economic and/or political you should probably understand that the "peace at any price" attitude is one thing NOT going global. China no doubt made a pretty penny when they gave Pakistan the bomb, but that wasn't their primary motive any more than when they gave it North Korea nor as they've facilitated Irans nuclear ambitions by both blocking international attempts to stop it and offering much of what they need for a price. We're all very happy America won the Cold War, but no one told China that, and they're still fighting it by economic and every other means. And winning.
I'm not saying we MUST declare war on them. If they want to stop selling nukes to people we've been at war with since China set them up fifty years ago, stop shipping us poisoned food, stop supporting our enemies (their customers) in debates about whether they gain nuclear weapons, refrain from seizing our military craft in international areas, impose existing labor and create new environmental laws that would make industries less likely to weaken America and strengthen a self declared foe be relocation, well, at that point, them owning an ever increasing share of our debt wouldn't bother me as much. We were once in the same situation with Japan, but it bothered me a lot less because they didn't have nukes, hadn't declared a showdown with us, and if they went to war with anyone they'd have to use our Army to do it. It was just economics. This is geopolitics and economics is just one dimension of that.
I don't think we should attack China. I think when they stop getting everything they want at our expense they'll do what nations with such leadership have always done: Decide they've gotten as much as they can by diplomacy and hope it's gained them the time and resources they need to win an aggressive war. "War is the continuation of diplomacy by other means. " I believe a European said that.
The world is consolidating as globalism takes hold. That's why we have an unelected WTO able to make binding judgments on sovereign states. Maybe it's just the 300 million of us over here who are warped; another of the things I read on FiveThirtyEight this morning was a Mr. Renard Sextons take (from Switzerland) on the Lisbon Treatys purposes:
"When the Lisbon treaty comes into force on December 1st, the European Union will have achieved two of its key goals of the last decade -- improved coherance and a stronger common foreign policy. Among many other things, the Treaty brings major changes to two top posts in the EU, a permanent President of the European Council (rather than 6 month rotating among the heads of states/governments in the EU countries) and High Representative for foreign policy (merging the foreign policy mandate of the European Commission and the common foreign and security policy of the EU (the countries).
"In each post is a chance for strong leadership to redefine the role of the European Union vis-a-vis the members states -- particularly large EU countries like France, UK, Germany, Spain and Italy -- and carve out a bigger common space in the realm of foreign and security policy.... "
It goes on like that, but you get the gist; he seems to me to be saying things I thought given:
Yes, those who want a strong EU are dismayed by the new President, particularly because they know it was a deliberate attempt by the more powerful EU nations to undercut the very strength and centralization the Lisbon Treaty was designed to increase.
Don't sweat it, guys. It proves the EU isn't going to be the United States of Europe about as well as the relatively huge drop in global temperatures around 2000 disproves global warming. Within a year temperatures were right back where they were and rising again; I don't think the EU will turn around that quickly, but it'll happen. The choice of leaders foisted upon the EU is a reactionary holding action, and the only reason it happened in the first place is because Britain couldn't get the rest of Europe to accept what would've been a very strong President Blair.
I know that was long and off topic, but, once again, if we're going to have a group discussion of my sanity I feel entitled to rebut the arguments against.
EDIT: Not sure how I did that, but the moral is "always click your links after you post them. "
Anyway, it's been real, and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun for a while.
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Slightly better than chocolate.
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LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
This message last edited by Joel on 24/11/2009 at 06:19:18 PM
No, I am sure global warming is just a myth. </sarcasm>
24/11/2009 01:23:50 PM
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That ice is not melting - everyone knows temperatures aren't going up.
24/11/2009 01:30:12 PM
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While I believe that the climate is changing
24/11/2009 02:10:53 PM
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You never deviate from serious and exact wording in your private e-mails? *NM*
24/11/2009 02:21:22 PM
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Climategate is a big scandal.....very damaging to the AGW kool-aid drinkers.
24/11/2009 03:53:27 PM
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Greenland was much less icy back in the days when it was first settled.
24/11/2009 02:29:50 PM
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Bingo - global temp goes up and down via variables way too complicated to know.....
24/11/2009 03:44:38 PM
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No one seriously argues against climate change. The myth is called the greenhouse effect
24/11/2009 02:31:30 PM
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Yes they do. Well, depending how seriously you take trzaska2000 and others of his ilk...
24/11/2009 02:53:33 PM
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I believe copy-right was aiming a bit higher than a specific person. You're not supposed to do that
24/11/2009 03:17:31 PM
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But I was just using him as an example - to show that some people who think global warming a myth
24/11/2009 03:27:13 PM
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I am not as crazy as Joel!!!
24/11/2009 03:48:33 PM
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That may be the first time I've seen an ad hominem against someone not present.
24/11/2009 06:13:29 PM
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trzaska is way beyond joel on the madness-meter.
24/11/2009 03:53:09 PM
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Please explain.....
24/11/2009 03:56:51 PM
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bull you're middle of the road.
24/11/2009 06:11:52 PM
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Define "middle of the road" then..... *NM*
24/11/2009 06:25:59 PM
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About a hundred meters to the left of you. *NM*
24/11/2009 06:59:49 PM
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I'd agree that you're middle of the road as far as policy goes...
24/11/2009 08:10:59 PM
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I'm not convinced
24/11/2009 04:34:50 PM
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That's not exactly what I said.
24/11/2009 06:06:44 PM
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I never said anyone is crazy. That is up to individual rafonauts' doctors. *NM*
24/11/2009 04:02:43 PM
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You did open a helluva can of worms though, deliberately or not.
24/11/2009 06:10:57 PM
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I was ridiculing myself for pointing to you at that earlier post a few days ago *NM*
24/11/2009 06:22:04 PM
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Re: You're not supposed to do that
24/11/2009 06:14:58 PM
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I submit myself to your punishment
24/11/2009 06:24:26 PM
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For the record, I'm sorry I got so huffy over something I was fairly sure you didn't mean seriously.
25/11/2009 12:28:46 PM
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The greenhouse effect without with the global average temperature would be in the ballpark of -15C?
24/11/2009 03:24:40 PM
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Re: No one seriously argues against climate change. The myth is called the greenhouse effect
24/11/2009 06:09:20 PM
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Temperature down while CO2 increases for 11 years and counting, no can't be true....
24/11/2009 03:41:41 PM
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Re: Temperature down while CO2 increases for 11 years and counting, no can't be true....
24/11/2009 03:51:46 PM
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This was already throughly rebutted in your prior post. and you are still trying it? Sheesh! *NM*
25/11/2009 05:12:19 PM
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Temp is down since 1998.....this is a fact.....sorry.
25/11/2009 05:19:07 PM
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Again, this was ALREADY ADDRESSED in your prior post. Saying it over and over won't make it true. *NM*
28/11/2009 04:18:30 AM
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Funny how when they get caught cooking the numbers you libbers just make jokes.
26/11/2009 06:37:26 PM
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