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No no no my friend, do not put words in my mouth AgentOrange Send a noteboard - 24/11/2009 03:52:29 PM
you got your myths mixed up

The one discovered in the early 1800's and quantified in the later part of that century? Where water vapour provides around half the effect, maybe 75%? Still a myth?


I am not claiming there isn't a greenhouse effect, or that greenhouse gases do not contribute to atmospheric temperatures.

But their changed concentration due to human envolvment has not been shown to be a driving factor in recent temperature changes.

Not only that, but the proponents of such theories, say in Kyoto, disregarded factors such as the termal conduction of greenhouse molecules at different atmospheric pressures and altitude and also ignored saturation effects.

The second tactic of ignoring saturation effects is most annoying because it is an alarmist tactic. Like those used by people who try to scare you with demographics. Except it's even less appropriate here. If greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere it doesn't mean more concentrated grrenhouse gases will warm the atmosphere the same way. Nature tends to saturation curves like a discharging capacitator.
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No, I am sure global warming is just a myth. </sarcasm> - 24/11/2009 01:23:50 PM 805 Views
That ice is not melting - everyone knows temperatures aren't going up. - 24/11/2009 01:30:12 PM 492 Views
Precisely. - 24/11/2009 01:31:17 PM 464 Views
*NM* - 24/11/2009 01:52:03 PM 297 Views
They say that it's vanishing because it's melting... - 24/11/2009 01:49:24 PM 463 Views
*NM* - 24/11/2009 02:20:00 PM 322 Views
While I believe that the climate is changing - 24/11/2009 02:10:53 PM 736 Views
Not to excuse tomfoolery of any kind (fun word )... - 24/11/2009 02:14:41 PM 407 Views
You never deviate from serious and exact wording in your private e-mails? *NM* - 24/11/2009 02:21:22 PM 301 Views
I think this is a bit more than a deviation. - 24/11/2009 02:33:49 PM 658 Views
Sales figures are a good example - 24/11/2009 02:48:44 PM 425 Views
Re: I think this is a bit more than a deviation. - 24/11/2009 02:49:30 PM 560 Views
Climategate is a big scandal.....very damaging to the AGW kool-aid drinkers. - 24/11/2009 03:53:27 PM 425 Views
Exactly; just look at these guys: - 24/11/2009 05:38:33 PM 719 Views
Greenland was much less icy back in the days when it was first settled. - 24/11/2009 02:29:50 PM 523 Views
From what I understand - 24/11/2009 02:45:04 PM 591 Views
No one seriously argues against climate change. The myth is called the greenhouse effect - 24/11/2009 02:31:30 PM 431 Views
Yes they do. Well, depending how seriously you take trzaska2000 and others of his ilk... - 24/11/2009 02:53:33 PM 443 Views
I believe copy-right was aiming a bit higher than a specific person. You're not supposed to do that - 24/11/2009 03:17:31 PM 449 Views
But I was just using him as an example - to show that some people who think global warming a myth - 24/11/2009 03:27:13 PM 437 Views
I am not as crazy as Joel!!! - 24/11/2009 03:48:33 PM 570 Views
You keep telling yourself that - 24/11/2009 04:31:01 PM 472 Views
trzaska is way beyond joel on the madness-meter. - 24/11/2009 03:53:09 PM 544 Views
Please explain..... - 24/11/2009 03:56:51 PM 539 Views
I wouldn't know where to begin. - 24/11/2009 04:20:38 PM 557 Views
Not for a European, but for an American..... *NM* - 24/11/2009 04:29:59 PM 295 Views
bull you're middle of the road. - 24/11/2009 06:11:52 PM 405 Views
Define "middle of the road" then..... *NM* - 24/11/2009 06:25:59 PM 301 Views
About a hundred meters to the left of you. *NM* - 24/11/2009 06:59:49 PM 324 Views
That comment is irrelevant without a frame of reference..... - 24/11/2009 07:24:26 PM 448 Views
Re: That comment is irrelevant without a frame of reference..... - 24/11/2009 07:25:18 PM 408 Views
I'd agree that you're middle of the road as far as policy goes... - 24/11/2009 08:10:59 PM 398 Views
That's pretty accurate.....I do enjoy colorful rhetoric! - 25/11/2009 04:14:25 PM 386 Views
I'm not convinced - 24/11/2009 04:34:50 PM 464 Views
That's not exactly what I said. - 24/11/2009 06:06:44 PM 615 Views
I never said anyone is crazy. That is up to individual rafonauts' doctors. *NM* - 24/11/2009 04:02:43 PM 285 Views
You did open a helluva can of worms though, deliberately or not. - 24/11/2009 06:10:57 PM 530 Views
I was ridiculing myself for pointing to you at that earlier post a few days ago *NM* - 24/11/2009 06:22:04 PM 196 Views
Fair enough then. - 24/11/2009 06:24:36 PM 425 Views
Re: You're not supposed to do that - 24/11/2009 06:14:58 PM 399 Views
I submit myself to your punishment - 24/11/2009 06:24:26 PM 558 Views
It's cool, man. - 24/11/2009 06:31:17 PM 420 Views
Silly snoop.....my beef is with AGW, not GW in general..... - 24/11/2009 03:46:15 PM 469 Views
You should be clearer then - 24/11/2009 04:30:04 PM 398 Views
The greenhouse effect without with the global average temperature would be in the ballpark of -15C? - 24/11/2009 03:24:40 PM 436 Views
No no no my friend, do not put words in my mouth - 24/11/2009 03:52:29 PM 486 Views

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