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And your little hyperbolic rant would make more sense if it were grounded in reality. Tom Send a noteboard - 22/11/2009 11:47:17 PM
The reality is that it is unclear if Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or the others were properly given Miranda warnings and at the proper time. It is further unclear what percentage of evidence amassed against them would be inadmissible for one reason or another (allegations of torture, suggestions of unreasonable search and seizure leading to the "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine being employed, etc.).

The point of military tribunals is that they satisfy Constitutional demands that the Supreme Court has declared to be "universal" without forcing the case into the straightjacket of Federal criminal procedure. That Federal criminal procedure was almost certainly not followed as US military forces operate on a completely different principle than domestic US law enforcement officers.

While Khalid Sheikh Mohammed may be brazen enough to plead guilty just to become a martyr, we can't be certain of that and we set a precedent that could let other terrorists go free on procedural grounds. What distinguishes military action against terrorists from police action against criminals is that we don't play by the same rules (and indeed can't, if we want to fight effectively).

When one considers the complete waste of money that this will lead to, the ensuing media circus (whether or not cameras are permitted in the courtroom) and the delay, it is a further insult to those who have fought to rid the world of these odious individuals.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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No need to interrogate Osama bin Laden? - 20/11/2009 12:48:27 AM 1130 Views
oO uhm, what? - 20/11/2009 12:54:13 AM 614 Views
Yeah, a lot of people were fuzzy on that till this started. - 20/11/2009 09:30:39 AM 633 Views
on the other hand, we're more than willing to take them out back with a confession. - 20/11/2009 06:34:12 PM 637 Views
As it seems we will. - 24/11/2009 09:41:18 AM 611 Views
New York is now asking for $75 MILLION for the KSM trial - 20/11/2009 01:43:26 AM 567 Views
Its to salve their conscinse - 20/11/2009 01:55:08 AM 573 Views
That's exactly the problem! - 20/11/2009 01:58:37 AM 585 Views
If this trial were being held in any other country - 20/11/2009 01:56:07 AM 582 Views
It's a terrible precedent no matter how you look at it. - 20/11/2009 02:13:46 AM 609 Views
It IS a terrible precdent, hence you and others are citing it 65 years after WWII ended. - 20/11/2009 09:23:45 AM 500 Views
Spare me the bullshit. - 20/11/2009 01:57:16 PM 500 Views
I will if you will. - 20/11/2009 02:55:30 PM 601 Views
No, you won't. You never will. - 20/11/2009 06:14:30 PM 493 Views
You're putting your cart before your horse is the problem. - 23/11/2009 05:40:46 AM 583 Views
No, that's not right. You don't read very closely. - 23/11/2009 02:21:54 PM 503 Views
In this case my reading comprehension is more than adequate. - 24/11/2009 09:16:39 AM 540 Views
You don't think this is a military struggle? Wow. - 20/11/2009 02:52:26 PM 544 Views
Allow me to point out... - 20/11/2009 03:02:33 PM 530 Views
Well, Timothy McVeigh was in OUR Army. - 20/11/2009 03:55:18 PM 646 Views
That's the thing, they aren't a terrorist group - 20/11/2009 04:54:31 PM 572 Views
It would help if you would offer any argument in favour of your stance. - 20/11/2009 08:43:08 PM 513 Views
I only use the word army cause I can't think of a better one - 21/11/2009 04:32:01 AM 530 Views
Yes. "Terrorist group". - 21/11/2009 12:02:04 PM 599 Views
Yeah I guess you're right - 22/11/2009 01:34:34 AM 517 Views
Military struggles involve militaries. - 20/11/2009 03:23:14 PM 686 Views
Once again, bullshit. - 20/11/2009 06:09:31 PM 651 Views
Aaaah, I see; it's a question of who's the master, is it? - 23/11/2009 07:47:43 AM 669 Views
You're wasting your time - 23/11/2009 02:24:57 PM 546 Views
This is wrong - 20/11/2009 07:41:35 PM 550 Views
We're a long way from the shore of Tripoli. - 23/11/2009 05:59:19 AM 600 Views
Nevertheless, uniforms or a nation is not a requirement - 23/11/2009 03:09:22 PM 560 Views
Rightly or wrongly, I disagree. - 24/11/2009 08:48:25 AM 607 Views
That is bad - 21/11/2009 12:31:04 AM 541 Views
You're not going far enough, man. - 20/11/2009 11:03:08 AM 582 Views
Blah blah blah blah blah *NM* - 20/11/2009 01:57:39 PM 248 Views
I just can't imagine how they expect to get a fair trial. - 20/11/2009 03:17:28 AM 511 Views
The Code of Conduct - 20/11/2009 07:23:02 PM 623 Views
The mention of God is interesting. *NM* - 21/11/2009 05:24:14 AM 358 Views
Your little diatribe in the beginning only makes me glad... - 22/11/2009 05:32:57 AM 665 Views
I understand your "jihadist narrative" - 22/11/2009 06:36:41 PM 651 Views
And your little hyperbolic rant would make more sense if it were grounded in reality. - 22/11/2009 11:47:17 PM 516 Views
We've had Mohammed in custody for over 6 years... - 23/11/2009 07:56:49 AM 589 Views
I've already responded to your absurd statements, but let me reiterate a few here - 23/11/2009 02:59:09 PM 485 Views
And I've responded to yours - 24/11/2009 04:57:58 AM 567 Views
enemy combatants and terrorists - 23/11/2009 08:03:25 PM 620 Views
They're not different because from the Third World, but because terrorists. - 24/11/2009 08:09:13 AM 745 Views
not every soldier in history has worn a uniform - 24/11/2009 11:00:34 PM 414 Views
One example would be Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys - 25/11/2009 06:23:08 PM 589 Views
Just for fun, let's call them fundamentalist vigilantes. *NM* - 24/11/2009 11:12:09 PM 220 Views
Works for me. - 01/12/2009 09:12:29 AM 579 Views

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