A military tribunal would be over in 2 hours and a bullet is less than $1 in cost. Try, convict, execute all in the same day. These pieces of shit do not deserve the due process of US courts because they should be tried in war tribunals.
I mean, you're absolutely right when you say below this will only embolden Americas foes by making us look weak. But your proposal is too small to have an effect. We need something more definitive, something to generate... I dunno, call it, maybe, "shock and awe" and then, once the rest of the world fears us enough, is, if you will, TERRIFIED enough, they'll do as we say. You're on the right track; we're not dealing with human beings and shouldn't treat them as such. But you need to think bigger, maybe blow up some large offices with thousands of civilians inside at the time. After all, killing thousands is only wrong if you kill the wrong ones. As long as you can establish, at least in your own mind, that the people you're killing aren't really PEOPLE at all, anything you do to them is legitimate.
Still, it's good that you're thinking constructively; keep at it, and Death to Not-America!
If their tactics are valid, if their motives are pure, why are we fighting them? And if we are, in fact, fighting them, why do so many suggest we adopt the very practices we claim to abhor? Not that I really believe a military tribunal would be over in a couple hours; the Allies started preparing for Nuremberg in 1942 and concluded the final trail in 1949. The chief American prosecutor and two Supreme Court Justices (both of whom sided with FDR in Quirin) still had harsh words for them. The consensus, even among Justices who found for the US in Quirin, seems to have been that the Allies were making up laws as they went to satisfy the thirst for vengeance rather than justice, hence we ignored the cases where France, Britain and/or Russia did things that earned Nazis dishonorable death. The only mention of them at Nuremberg was specifically exempting Soviet leaders from charges and falsely declaring the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact a forgery. So, yeah, we can go that route, but let's not call it justice; leave the self-righteous hypocrisy to bin Laden.
If, like so many, you wish to stand on the horrible Quirin precedent, bear in mind the SCOTUS ruled last June that "the Military Commissions Act could not remove the right for Guantanamo captives to access the US Federal Court system" (i.e. you don't get to make someone a non-person just by slapping a never defined "enemy combatant" label on them. )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant
You suggest we ignore both the SCOTUS and the AGs clearly stated position. Not so long ago the VP himself called that treason. The good old days, I suppose.
When you've become the enemy, they've won. It disturbs and saddens me that the more enthusiastic a person is about fighting terrorism the more likely they are to endorse it. We are not them. We are better. I will not let them turn my democracy into a police state, fill it with kangaroo courts standing by to summarily execute all sub-humans deviating from what they subjectively claim to be the indisputable truth, where the most vocal form of dissent possible is going out on your balcony to say "God is great" at a pre-arranged time, afraid even that will see you arrested and killed, your family arrested and beaten while you watch. NO enemy, foreign or domestic, will do that to my country while I breathe.
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No need to interrogate Osama bin Laden?
20/11/2009 12:48:27 AM
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oO uhm, what?
20/11/2009 12:54:13 AM
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If they're tried INSIDE the US, then yes, they are entitled to due process.
20/11/2009 01:44:08 AM
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Yeah, a lot of people were fuzzy on that till this started.
20/11/2009 09:30:39 AM
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on the other hand, we're more than willing to take them out back with a confession.
20/11/2009 06:34:12 PM
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New York is now asking for $75 MILLION for the KSM trial
20/11/2009 01:43:26 AM
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If this trial were being held in any other country
20/11/2009 01:56:07 AM
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It's a terrible precedent no matter how you look at it.
20/11/2009 02:13:46 AM
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It IS a terrible precdent, hence you and others are citing it 65 years after WWII ended.
20/11/2009 09:23:45 AM
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Spare me the bullshit.
20/11/2009 01:57:16 PM
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I will if you will.
20/11/2009 02:55:30 PM
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No, you won't. You never will.
20/11/2009 06:14:30 PM
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You're putting your cart before your horse is the problem.
23/11/2009 05:40:46 AM
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You don't think this is a military struggle? Wow.
20/11/2009 02:52:26 PM
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Allow me to point out...
20/11/2009 03:02:33 PM
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That's the thing, they aren't a terrorist group
20/11/2009 04:54:31 PM
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It would help if you would offer any argument in favour of your stance.
20/11/2009 08:43:08 PM
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I only use the word army cause I can't think of a better one
21/11/2009 04:32:01 AM
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Military struggles involve militaries.
20/11/2009 03:23:14 PM
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Once again, bullshit.
20/11/2009 06:09:31 PM
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This is wrong
20/11/2009 07:41:35 PM
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We're a long way from the shore of Tripoli.
23/11/2009 05:59:19 AM
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You're not going far enough, man.
20/11/2009 11:03:08 AM
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Your little diatribe in the beginning only makes me glad...
22/11/2009 05:32:57 AM
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I understand your "jihadist narrative"
22/11/2009 06:36:41 PM
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No you don't
22/11/2009 11:16:18 PM
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Oh, so you know better than Army attorneys about Miranda rights?
22/11/2009 11:52:00 PM
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I can explain it to you right now if you want?
23/11/2009 08:21:48 AM
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Credible legal and moral justifications for not trying terrorists in civilian court:
23/11/2009 02:56:19 PM
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Re: Credible legal and moral justifications for not trying terrorists in civilian court:
24/11/2009 04:55:12 AM
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I'm glad that you will never be in a position where a decision you make can affect my life.
23/11/2009 12:27:35 AM
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Actually people of my thinking are already making decisions that affect your life.
23/11/2009 08:29:24 AM
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Please explain to me how military tribunals compromise my principles?
24/11/2009 02:54:18 AM
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And your little hyperbolic rant would make more sense if it were grounded in reality.
22/11/2009 11:47:17 PM
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Looks like we'll get a Not Guilty plea, and a defense focusing on condeming US foreign policy
23/11/2009 12:36:47 AM
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They'll publicly accuse us of tyranny and brutality in front of a jury and without our censorship.
23/11/2009 08:27:13 AM
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My main objection is the awful precedent set by trying prisoners of war here in America.
24/11/2009 02:57:13 AM
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"My main objection is the awful precedent set by trying prisoners of war here in America. "
24/11/2009 06:57:34 AM
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We've had Mohammed in custody for over 6 years...
23/11/2009 07:56:49 AM
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I've already responded to your absurd statements, but let me reiterate a few here
23/11/2009 02:59:09 PM
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And I've responded to yours
24/11/2009 04:57:58 AM
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It's not, at least for me, that we feel the civilian courts are inadequate
24/11/2009 05:28:51 AM
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Good analysis of the situation.
23/11/2009 08:17:01 AM
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It isn't about sending a message. It's about horrible war fighting strategy.
24/11/2009 02:59:31 AM
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No. It's about not using a horribly ineffective strategy just to send a message to terrorists.
24/11/2009 09:29:06 AM
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enemy combatants and terrorists
23/11/2009 08:03:25 PM
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They're not different because from the Third World, but because terrorists.
24/11/2009 08:09:13 AM
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