You should use the quote box thingy on the far right of the Smiley Codes, it would make it easier
Danu Send a noteboard - 10/11/2009 01:01:02 AM
A veterinarian employed by the poultry industry will probably put a positive spin on the industry that writes his checks.
Bias is inevitable but it's still just plain ignorant to assume that just because someone works for an industry means they believe it's all hugs and kisses. The veterinarian was honest. She did not say all blossomy wonderful things. And who's more qualified? A random journalist who knows nothing about the industry and knows no reasonings for things? Who's less biased? PETA? I'm sorry, I'd rather take the statement of an expert than an ignorant "researcher" (who only looks at the abnormal 'bad' chicken houses and reads articles from PETA.)
It's also plain ignorant to assume that they while they may admit that all is not sunshine and roses they won't put the best spin on the industry.
Hmmm...see I have problems with "Averages"
On average Vermonters are less obese than the average American but that does not mean most Vermonters are not obese. </I>
That is an entirely different comparison relating to a sliding-scale body condition. I'm talking about a product with which there are concrete sales numbers for. And whenI say "average" I mean "almost every single one". When an industry member says "almost everyone has houses this size, although some places have bigger", I'm inclined to believe them.
Right. So what you are saying is that "average" doesn't mean squat. Ummm...unless you want it to.
Why do the beaks have to be cut off then? Oh right. Stress
The beaks are not cut off chickens in industry standard broiler houses. Period. End. If they did, the chickens couldn't, you know, EAT. Which is kind of crucial towards the whole growing thing.
Of course you are right. Only the tips of the beaks.
Btw, if you have ever had a cat declawed you have absolutely zero room to talk about beaks being cut off anyways.
I have never declawed a cat. Scout was declawed when she came to us. We would never have done anything so cruel.
Maybe not, but have they been genetically altered to grow larger breasts? (the breast being the more preferred part of the chicken)
Yes, they have been bred to grow faster and for more meat (you can't really breed for just larger breasts. I mean you can, but it's very difficult and it's more profitable to just breed for more meat overall). But it's by entirely natural means and thus has nothing to do with steroid concerns.
If you're so concerned about breeding for extreme characteristics, I hope you've never coo'd at a dachshund or a Persian, or a pug, or a tea cup poodle or a Manx cat or a miniature pig or any of the hundreds of other domestic species that have been bred for extreme characteristics or bred in such numbers for popularity reasons that they develop health issues. If you approve of these, then you're just being a hypocrite about the birds. Or is it not okay because they're breeding animals to feed people?
Actually I think breeding Persians or Pugs to get that flat face, you know the one...where they have a hard time breathing and and have to have their humans clean their noses and eyes for them...Yes that is inhumane. For the record, I have never in my life had a dog or cat come into my life that didn't choose me or my family from its own freewill. They chose us. Scout, who I believe was an Ocicat chose us, not the other way around. Yes she was declawed but she was declawed when she came to us.
We would have never done that to her.
That would be because they grow so rapidly that their bones are not developed well enough to support them. Because hundreds of millions of chickens die every year before reaching slaughter weight at 6 weeks of age, the industry is hoping that by slowing the growth and with the increase of vit.D/Calcium they will be able to extend the life and economic value of more chickens.
Did I say that wasn't the case? So wait, let me get this straight, you're criticizing the industry for trying to correct something so the chickens are healthier? Wow, catch 22 for the industry.
Sure, yep. *nods* Healthier chickens equals more profit. Funny how that works. Reminds me of GE Renewable Energy Technology Building a Better, Cleaner Tomorrow
You can only swim against the current so long before you realize that swimming with the current is more profitable.
I had an uncle who worked in a chicken possessing plant/slaughter house for six months until he couldn't take in any longer. I suggest you do the same.
Uhm, well, one I don't work at a slaughter house. Two, I'm not talking about processing plants or slaughter houses. Those would be nasty and gorey enough for anyone to get sick of no matter how pristinely humane they were. Unless they find a way for cotton candy and rainbows to kill animals. I'm talking about broiler farms which grow the chickens. Way to provide a completely moot and irrelevant anecdote.
You're right, completely moot and irrelevant. Though they can expose a person to the inhumanity visited on the animals brought to them.
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On "Chicken Crowding"
- 09/11/2009 06:09:38 PM
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um
- 09/11/2009 06:16:06 PM
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mk, some clarification
- 09/11/2009 06:33:17 PM
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you obviously have not seen the documentary "Food Inc" , please watch it *NM*
- 09/11/2009 08:09:28 PM
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This might help
- 10/11/2009 11:13:17 AM
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even just reading the fact check (what I did), that's pretty awful.
- 10/11/2009 03:07:39 PM
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Ya know...
- 09/11/2009 08:49:32 PM
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Which is great if you can only think in binary
- 09/11/2009 10:59:29 PM
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free range has a lot of issues people don't know about
- 09/11/2009 11:15:10 PM
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Indeed, it isn't perfect.
- 09/11/2009 11:31:36 PM
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i would pick the regulated one.
- 09/11/2009 11:32:50 PM
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Well that is a clear issue
- 09/11/2009 11:44:07 PM
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yeah
- 10/11/2009 02:16:19 AM
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the pain problem with the diesase management
- 10/11/2009 02:21:31 AM
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I suggest you shut the flock up. 
- 10/11/2009 02:30:28 AM
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- 10/11/2009 02:30:28 AM
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you are horrible
- 10/11/2009 02:37:15 AM
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flock-to-flock contamination is quite a problem if you're trying to not feed the birds antibiotics.
- 10/11/2009 02:59:10 AM
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Ummm...
- 10/11/2009 08:05:20 PM
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Some questions and comments:
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Re: Some questions and comments:
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Re: Some questions and comments:
- 09/11/2009 11:19:07 PM
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Dear meathead
- 09/11/2009 11:33:36 PM
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i was not referring specifically to you.
- 09/11/2009 11:35:01 PM
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Fair enough, I didn't realise you were making unrelated comments for no clear reason
- 09/11/2009 11:42:59 PM
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it was related to what you were saying about standards
- 09/11/2009 11:44:27 PM
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No, it was not related to what I was saying about chicken raising standards
- 10/11/2009 10:55:18 AM
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LOL, sorry sis, but the meathead thing was cute. Methinks I have a new nickname for my favoritest.
- 10/11/2009 12:43:08 AM
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*sigh*
- 09/11/2009 11:14:27 PM
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You should use the quote box thingy on the far right of the Smiley Codes, it would make it easier
- 10/11/2009 01:01:02 AM
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right on.
- 10/11/2009 05:20:48 PM
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we modified every domestic animal we have
- 10/11/2009 05:36:37 PM
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especially chickens. Chickens haven't even really ever lived in the wild...
- 15/11/2009 05:25:20 PM
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I know what you're trying to say, and I believe you.
- 10/11/2009 02:54:09 AM
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most domesticated animals don't eat what they'd "naturally" eat
- 10/11/2009 01:10:36 PM
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true. But I think at this point we are getting away from commercially raised and more towards pets.
- 10/11/2009 02:29:01 PM
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A full-grown chicken needs 4sq ft coop and 10 sq ft outside space...
- 15/11/2009 12:51:00 AM
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