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I take issue with your view of history Tom Send a noteboard - 02/11/2009 04:25:24 PM
You know perfectly well what the Romans thought about Judaism and then about Christianity. There are loads of sources, especially in Josephus' The Jewish War, about Jews who refused to recognize the Gods of Rome and the trouble that caused them. Especially once the emperors were considered divine. In a sea of Polytheism, you don't think that the Romans and Hellenistic peoples though that monotheism was an abhorrent aberration?

The problem with the Jews' god/God wasn't that he was referred to as the "only" God, but rather, that he was unique to them. To call the Romans of the First Century AD (and afterwards) "polytheists" is misleading. I prefer the term "pagan" insofar as it refers to an entire religious viewpoint.

Christianity was indeed considered a "cult" in the sense that it was a secret religion, but in that respect it was no different than the Greek Mystery-Religions that it was modelled after. The rites of Dionysus, or the Magna Mater, or Demeter and Kore, or Orpheus, or the great Eleusinian Mysteries, were very popular. The Mithraic mysteries became greater than all of the previous ones put together and, as you know, vied with Christianity for prominence. Most of these religions professed an ultimate unity of reality - I can quote you passages from the Poemander and Asclepius of the mysteries of Hermes Trismegistus if you like. They were, so to speak, monistic polytheists. There isn't much difference between that and monotheism proper.

The goal of my earlier statement was to show that our present view of Scientology is truly no different than the Roman, Greek, and Jewish view of Christianity. A cult. And a bit of an odd cult at that, considering its stated monotheistic nature. But given the right conditions - economic or political or demographic - and a cult becomes a religion. Mormonism for instance is no odder or less odd than Scientology. And yet a century or so has passed and there is the faintest veneer of respectability surrounding it.

Mormonism may not seem "odder or less odd" than Scientology to you, but it differs in key ways that I mentioned earlier. It has stories, myths, beliefs that draw on the power of traditional Christian beliefs and may add to them in unusual ways, but it still presents an emotionally powerful worldview. Scientologists tell no compelling tales and have an emotionally weak religion. The only interest has been from some unbalanced actors and people interested in participating in a tax dodge.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Defections, court fights test Scientology - 01/11/2009 11:08:00 PM 702 Views
I find it interesting to see it's that old. - 01/11/2009 11:32:39 PM 368 Views
Re: I find it interesting to see it's that old. - 02/11/2009 04:41:22 AM 310 Views
Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Daoism, Shintoism, Christianity, Islam, Mormonism, Scientologism. - 02/11/2009 12:40:26 AM 388 Views
I beg to differ. Scientology is more ridiculous than the other religions mentioned. - 02/11/2009 01:58:44 AM 433 Views
To you, perhaps. To me it's a wonderful fantasy like the rest. No more or less believable. - 02/11/2009 02:19:17 AM 361 Views
What sources do you have for that statement? - 02/11/2009 06:38:19 AM 336 Views
The point was about polytheism versus monotheism - 02/11/2009 03:29:23 PM 304 Views
I take issue with your view of history - 02/11/2009 04:25:24 PM 331 Views
The view of history is not monolithic. You are entitled to your views. - 02/11/2009 04:36:45 PM 322 Views
Re: Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Daoism, Shintoism, Christianity, Islam, Mormonism, Scientologism. - 02/11/2009 04:03:49 AM 374 Views
Right. Unlike Christianity, which has harming your neighbor as one of its central precepts. - 02/11/2009 06:34:16 AM 349 Views
Re: Right. Unlike Christianity, which has harming your neighbor as one of its central precepts. - 02/11/2009 02:42:22 PM 354 Views
Six months isn't that far back - 02/11/2009 03:40:30 PM 338 Views
I think that you are wrong. - 02/11/2009 03:48:20 PM 348 Views
Define, supporting/promoting a war? - 02/11/2009 04:12:46 PM 347 Views
Re: I think that you are wrong. - 03/11/2009 03:07:40 AM 331 Views
You sound fiesty tonight! *NM* - 02/11/2009 04:42:43 AM 140 Views

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