I beg to differ. Scientology is more ridiculous than the other religions mentioned.
Tom Send a noteboard - 02/11/2009 01:58:44 AM
Scientology is a blunt instrument of a religion, and not a very effective one at that. It lacks much of what cults need to become religions. It does not have a coherent creed, it does not have compelling symbols, it does not have stories that people can relate to when in need of strength, hope or perseverance. In short, it doesn't speak to people.
You can characterize Christianity as a "Jewish zombie" religion, but as a student of art you can't deny the power contained in the image of Christ on the cross. Suffering for the sake of others, creating victory from death, and the countless parables (like the Good Samaritan) are all psychological and spiritual dynamite.
Likewise, Judaism is all about the covenant between a God and His people that tied ethnicity and national self-identity so closely to a particular spot of land that two thousand years later, the followers of the religion returned to, and stubbornly remain on, that particular piece of land despite wars, international condemnation and terrorist attacks.
How many people do you think would die for Scientology? How many people do you think can even EXPLAIN Scientology to others without being laughed at? What compelling stories of Scientology can people rely on for strength in their time of need? What stories do Scientologists even tell (I understand the whole Xenu thing is a big secret that members can't find out about until they get high up enough to be embarrassed if they broke the story to others)?
If Scientology had piggy-backed on an established religion (like Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons) or come up with its own myth (again, like the Mormons) then it might survive as a religion. However, I think the closer analogy to Scientology is any one of the many failed cults that have come and gone and died. Theosophy went nowhere. Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis has gone nowhere. Heaven's Gate, the People's Temple and the Branch Davidians went out in more spectacular ways, but there are dozens of other weird groups that don't survive. There is substantial doubt that the Moonies will survive as a distinct branch of Christianity after Rev. Moon dies. And where are the Rajneeshis today?
You can characterize Christianity as a "Jewish zombie" religion, but as a student of art you can't deny the power contained in the image of Christ on the cross. Suffering for the sake of others, creating victory from death, and the countless parables (like the Good Samaritan) are all psychological and spiritual dynamite.
Likewise, Judaism is all about the covenant between a God and His people that tied ethnicity and national self-identity so closely to a particular spot of land that two thousand years later, the followers of the religion returned to, and stubbornly remain on, that particular piece of land despite wars, international condemnation and terrorist attacks.
How many people do you think would die for Scientology? How many people do you think can even EXPLAIN Scientology to others without being laughed at? What compelling stories of Scientology can people rely on for strength in their time of need? What stories do Scientologists even tell (I understand the whole Xenu thing is a big secret that members can't find out about until they get high up enough to be embarrassed if they broke the story to others)?
If Scientology had piggy-backed on an established religion (like Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons) or come up with its own myth (again, like the Mormons) then it might survive as a religion. However, I think the closer analogy to Scientology is any one of the many failed cults that have come and gone and died. Theosophy went nowhere. Crowley's Ordo Templi Orientis has gone nowhere. Heaven's Gate, the People's Temple and the Branch Davidians went out in more spectacular ways, but there are dozens of other weird groups that don't survive. There is substantial doubt that the Moonies will survive as a distinct branch of Christianity after Rev. Moon dies. And where are the Rajneeshis today?
All religions start out as cults. Most have some sort of blackmail to ensure that adherents don't opt out. Christianity promises Hell, damnation, lack of salvation.
What I find most interesting about Scientology is the level of vitriol directed against it. Having studied early Christian history(1st to 4th centuries CE), I find many interesting parallels.
Give it a few centuries. If a cult survives long enough to be considered a religion and to be considered respectable, then it means that it tapped into some people's need to believe. So yes. I expect defections. I expect court challenges. I expect persecution. I expect death. I expect wars. In short, I expect the usual process by which a cult becomes a religion.
I find Scientology no less ridiculous than those who believe that a dead Jewish zombie has somehow saved them from the magical construct called sin that all men have inherited through Lamarckian evolution because one woman ate an apple.
What I find most interesting about Scientology is the level of vitriol directed against it. Having studied early Christian history(1st to 4th centuries CE), I find many interesting parallels.
Give it a few centuries. If a cult survives long enough to be considered a religion and to be considered respectable, then it means that it tapped into some people's need to believe. So yes. I expect defections. I expect court challenges. I expect persecution. I expect death. I expect wars. In short, I expect the usual process by which a cult becomes a religion.
I find Scientology no less ridiculous than those who believe that a dead Jewish zombie has somehow saved them from the magical construct called sin that all men have inherited through Lamarckian evolution because one woman ate an apple.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Defections, court fights test Scientology
01/11/2009 11:08:00 PM
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I don't think most people think the Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses are "mainstream".
02/11/2009 12:29:51 AM
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I agree. When I read that I thought "bullshit". Especially about the JW's. *NM*
02/11/2009 04:40:05 AM
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Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Daoism, Shintoism, Christianity, Islam, Mormonism, Scientologism.
02/11/2009 12:40:26 AM
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Yes, literalism and fundamentalism don't typically make a lot of sense. *NM*
02/11/2009 01:34:48 AM
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I beg to differ. Scientology is more ridiculous than the other religions mentioned.
02/11/2009 01:58:44 AM
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To you, perhaps. To me it's a wonderful fantasy like the rest. No more or less believable.
02/11/2009 02:19:17 AM
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What sources do you have for that statement?
02/11/2009 06:38:19 AM
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The point was about polytheism versus monotheism
02/11/2009 03:29:23 PM
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I take issue with your view of history
02/11/2009 04:25:24 PM
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The view of history is not monolithic. You are entitled to your views.
02/11/2009 04:36:45 PM
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Excellent post.....all religions are a little nutty, but Christianity was a natural extension to....
02/11/2009 02:43:49 AM
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Re: Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Daoism, Shintoism, Christianity, Islam, Mormonism, Scientologism.
02/11/2009 04:03:49 AM
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Right. Unlike Christianity, which has harming your neighbor as one of its central precepts.
02/11/2009 06:34:16 AM
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Re: Right. Unlike Christianity, which has harming your neighbor as one of its central precepts.
02/11/2009 02:42:22 PM
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Your spelling is simply atrocious. Are you a non-native English speaker/writer?
02/11/2009 03:23:25 PM
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+1 to your question and add "abysmal grammar and style" *NM*
02/11/2009 04:28:08 PM
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Re: Your spelling is simply atrocious. Are you a non-native English speaker/writer?
03/11/2009 02:26:07 AM
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I think that you are wrong.
02/11/2009 03:48:20 PM
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Define, supporting/promoting a war?
02/11/2009 04:12:46 PM
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Agreed, and even some 19th century wars had at least partial religious motivations. *NM*
02/11/2009 05:38:22 PM
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Uh? I thought what was testing Scientology was its crazy-ass beliefs..... *NM*
02/11/2009 02:38:07 AM
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