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It does matter to what you were saying, though. Nate Send a noteboard - 24/10/2009 06:32:32 AM
You said that a hate crime law like that makes your life worth less than someone else's, but it doesn't. If you were killed by a homosexual man because you were heterosexual and he hated your sexual orientation, he could be charged with a hate crime. Voila, your life is worth exactly the same as everyone else's, in the sense that you were talking about.

It does not discriminate against straight people, because straight people are "protected" in the same way gay people are, in that if they are the victim of violence based on the hate of sexual orientation, the perpetrator can be charged with a hate crime.

Just because laws like this are created because most of the violence flows one way does not mean they discriminate against the side that initiates most of that violence. Heterosexuality is a sexual orientation, and is thus "protected" in the same way as homosexuality. That goes for all the things that qualify as hate crimes. If a black man attacks a white man because he hates white people, that is a hate crime in the same way as if a white man attacks a black man because he hates black people. It is all the same under a law like this. The law is not discriminating against you, which is what your original post was about. The law is not discriminating against anyone.

It is saying that if a person attacks someone, anyone, just because they hate a generic classification of people that the victim belongs to, that is a hate crime. It is saying that attacking someone because you hate their race, religion, sexual orientation, etc, is different than attacking someone, for example, because you want their money.

Do you not think it's different? Do you not think that distinction is important? Do you not think we should care why people hurt each other?
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Doesn't matter, Same crime, same punishment, with no extra preference given to anyone. - 24/10/2009 04:48:22 AM 322 Views
It does matter to what you were saying, though. - 24/10/2009 06:32:32 AM 388 Views
One factor in this I don't like though - 24/10/2009 01:54:53 PM 323 Views
Correct - 24/10/2009 04:55:43 AM 330 Views
All orientations are protected. - 24/10/2009 05:17:55 AM 331 Views
Isn't killing or assaulting someone already illegal? - 24/10/2009 05:50:15 AM 329 Views
As per my reply to you above: - 24/10/2009 06:42:24 AM 346 Views
I said nothing as to what I think about hate crimes laws. - 24/10/2009 06:47:51 AM 336 Views
yes and how many black men are sentenced for attacking white men? - 24/10/2009 02:00:26 PM 305 Views
Couldn't say, Ray. - 25/10/2009 04:43:12 AM 468 Views
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Minor point. - 24/10/2009 04:46:25 PM 353 Views
Yeah I saw that and kind of scoffed as well - 24/10/2009 07:57:23 PM 351 Views
well since almost everything he said turned out to be BS why not that too? - 25/10/2009 02:36:25 PM 339 Views
That's my main objection, yes. - 25/10/2009 10:50:49 PM 337 Views

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