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You misunderstand my position. Tom Send a noteboard - 14/10/2009 05:23:29 PM
I am not arguing that we should not be investing in clean, renewable energy to remove our dependence on fossil fuels. I am not arguing against increasing, incrementally, fuel efficiency standards.

The problem with most of the proposals that have been made in the name of "fighting global warming" are proposals that PENALIZE most people for using hydrocarbons at a time when the renewable, clean energy is still not available for most. "Cap and trade" and forcing businesses to be "carbon neutral" by buying some fictitious credits simply increases the cost of everything without showing how it is going to lead to affordable renewable energy.

How can a company be "carbon neutral" if it has an on-site power plant and it's making, let's say, $10 million a year in revenue before taxes? We're going to make the company build a solar generator for about $200 million? That's prohibitively expensive and, oh, by the way, that situation is fairly common and NOT hypothetical, and those numbers are actual numbers.

"Cap and trade" for a company of that size is going to therefore simply mean an increased cost of doing business in America. The company can either lay people off or outsource to a less expensive nation like Indonesia or China. For a company of 200-300 employees, that's going to mean most likely about 1000 people depending on the facility when families are added in are going to lose their source of sustenance.

Try telling the tens of thousands of American workers and their families who will be out of a job in an already steep recession that it's better to "pay up front" for a global warming issue that may, just MAY, be radically overstated.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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This message last edited by Tom on 14/10/2009 at 05:27:20 PM
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Oh...by the way...we may have been wrong about that whole "Global Warming" thing - 14/10/2009 03:23:53 PM 1208 Views
This was posted on 10.10.09 by Trzkaska2000. 138 views. 15 replies. - 14/10/2009 03:32:52 PM 419 Views
Your point being...? *NM* - 14/10/2009 03:53:56 PM 178 Views
That your post is repetitive. - 14/10/2009 05:33:05 PM 376 Views
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what were the odds that they would have found anything else? - 14/10/2009 03:58:49 PM 414 Views
Re: Oh...by the way...we may have been wrong about that whole "Global Warming" thing - 14/10/2009 04:36:57 PM 424 Views
I registered it as a bug - 14/10/2009 04:40:20 PM 355 Views
I think it's been registered as a bug about 6 times now. *NM* - 14/10/2009 05:52:04 PM 175 Views
I personally did it four times. *NM* - 14/10/2009 11:29:53 PM 203 Views
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Increased costs? - 14/10/2009 05:11:11 PM 429 Views
You misunderstand my position. - 14/10/2009 05:23:29 PM 420 Views
greed - 14/10/2009 06:45:35 PM 365 Views
That's not how things work. - 14/10/2009 06:50:27 PM 346 Views
Then lets change the way things work. Not as if capitalism is required by the US constition. - 15/10/2009 07:04:51 PM 331 Views
Good luck with that. - 15/10/2009 07:18:17 PM 439 Views
Welcome to Communism! - 14/10/2009 09:45:02 PM 341 Views
communism is a system of government. SOCIALISM is an economic system - 15/10/2009 07:01:16 PM 361 Views
I'm Canadian, actually. - 23/10/2009 11:08:08 PM 324 Views
it's about the science, for me. - 14/10/2009 04:46:09 PM 376 Views
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+1 - 14/10/2009 06:46:11 PM 360 Views
So you decided to ignore my response? - 14/10/2009 07:02:01 PM 376 Views
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+ 1 I agree with you completely in here. - 14/10/2009 08:19:45 PM 355 Views
So, I guess you are now a Catholic? - 14/10/2009 09:49:21 PM 422 Views
Bitch, please. - 14/10/2009 09:58:07 PM 406 Views
No worries, most catholics aren't even catholics..... *NM* - 15/10/2009 05:47:58 AM 136 Views
Precisely. *NM* - 15/10/2009 08:44:44 AM 229 Views
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It looked like he was saying the opposite. - 14/10/2009 10:18:03 PM 355 Views
The ends don't justify the means..... - 14/10/2009 09:41:47 PM 403 Views
You missed my point... - 15/10/2009 04:18:11 PM 347 Views
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No worries, it's worth a second post!!! AGW is total BS..... - 14/10/2009 09:39:20 PM 484 Views
+1 *NM* - 14/10/2009 09:49:01 PM 166 Views
Well, it's good to see that some folks still actually follow science rather than politics - 16/10/2009 05:04:17 PM 422 Views
Well said, couldn't have said it better *NM* - 17/10/2009 02:27:14 AM 157 Views

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