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Those are relative things, yes. Legolas Send a noteboard - 25/04/2017 07:49:01 AM

And it's certainly true that the European 'far right' isn't exactly right-wing on economic issues. Trump's campaign echoed their typical positions on some points (protectionism, refusal to consider entitlement reform), though obviously there are big differences on topics like tax cuts for the wealthy.

View original postI also get why Germans sang hymns to the Rhine a hundred years ago. But really, could they find a single significant candidate in this election who has never been part of some organization with the word "socialist" in its decent-human-language name?

The Germans sang hymns to the Rhine because the French wanted to invade them and made no secret of it. I'm not sure why this is relevant now.


View original postNext you're going to be saying he's facing off against a woman in the election to his country's highest office, and hoping her male relative's baggage can drag her down some more...

View original postSeriously though, I honestly thought Le Pen was the Trump analogue in this race...

Yeah, I'd noticed the similarities too. One of the reasons for my apprehension, in fact - odds are he'll be nearly as ineffectual on the things that really matter as Trump, lacking any relevant experience in working with the legislative bodies to get laws passed.
View original postWhat does that have to do with anything? I feel like I'm having an Elayne discussion on the WoT MB where people only note the subject's economic status and plug in assumptions. Whether he gets it deep down or not, Donald Trump does a far better job of relating to working class people that most politicians. In stark contrast to Clinton, all the word about him from casual encounters and stories of low level employees is that he's friendly and gracious, as opposed to "Clinton 45" who had people diving into doorways to avoid crossing her gaze, and was infamous for her temper tantrums and tongue lashings. Money has nothing to do with relating to people - for that you need empathy (which, BTW, is much more likely to come with comfortable lifestyles, education and all the rest of that - suffering people get jaded fast, they do not grow ginormous hearts bleeding with empathy), and there are enough stories of Trump's spontaneous acts of generosity that makes it much more easy to believe he is capable of empathy, rather than a calculated facsimile with a fluctuating regional accent behind it (a trick Clinton shared with her prior employer).

You ask me what that has to do with anything, and then go on a rant about Hillary Clinton who had nothing to do with anything in the post? Comparing Trump to Clinton makes sense only if you're explaining why you voted for Trump back in November (which in fact if I understood correctly you didn't?). I don't see how it makes sense here - we were comparing Trump to Le Pen.

Moreover, I'm not sure what Trump's social skills have to do with it - he may be friendlier and easier to talk to for working class people, but that doesn't say much about how he relates to them and takes their reality into account when taking positions. Looking at his cabinet and the descriptions of his mindset, it certainly seems like he has a tendency to only truly listen to wealthy people, who have proven themselves in his eyes.

And for all that he talks about 'Make America Great Again' and standing up for those who have been the losers of the trade policies of the past, still his idea of solving the problem is giving tax cuts to the winners of said trade policies so they can become even wealthier. Seems unlikely he would do that if he had the first clue of what it really feels like to lose your job because your employer's management decides to outsource the factory to another country where they can make more profit. Though then again, maybe not - there certainly seem to be a good number of Trump voters who, for all their complaining about their lost jobs, are magnanimous enough to want to further reward the people who took them away.

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So it will be Macron vs Le Pen after all - 23/04/2017 09:42:37 PM 1035 Views
Is this April 2002 or April 2017 - 23/04/2017 11:56:40 PM 676 Views
Yeah, not really that similar. - 24/04/2017 07:08:52 AM 684 Views
Le Pen vs. the Lightweight - 24/04/2017 03:29:21 AM 703 Views
Macron will win. - 24/04/2017 03:17:32 PM 678 Views
France might make history, here - 24/04/2017 08:15:55 PM 671 Views
Argentina did this first in the 1970s - 24/04/2017 10:58:13 PM 712 Views
???? Of course - 24/04/2017 11:11:03 PM 619 Views
And Le Pen the day after pulls a publicity stunt *NM* - 24/04/2017 10:38:31 PM 406 Views
Eventually Le Pen will win. Or someone like her. - 24/04/2017 11:30:44 PM 631 Views
In the fullness of time we are all dead - 25/04/2017 01:22:54 AM 620 Views
This is what France calls a right-winger and a centrist? Have I mentioned I LOVE the Atlantic Ocean? - 25/04/2017 03:32:54 AM 686 Views
Those are relative things, yes. - 25/04/2017 07:49:01 AM 648 Views
Re: Those are relative things, yes. - 25/04/2017 05:54:51 PM 761 Views
I expect to the populist/anti-establishment trend to continue - 25/04/2017 09:24:38 PM 766 Views
It will. This is the shakey start. - 27/04/2017 09:31:57 AM 557 Views
Start? The start over here was back in 1991. - 27/04/2017 07:13:46 PM 724 Views
I know what you mean, and I am not up on all my modem history - 27/04/2017 08:30:11 PM 603 Views
2000, then. - 27/04/2017 09:04:39 PM 795 Views
I'm not gonna argue! - 27/04/2017 11:27:00 PM 863 Views
Re: So it will be Macron vs Le Pen after all - 27/04/2017 09:29:26 AM 597 Views
Yes. Rechecked them just now... - 27/04/2017 06:53:52 PM 774 Views
Good. - 27/04/2017 01:19:26 PM 667 Views

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