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Mind over body might've been more apt. I believe I did answer your question actually. Legolas Send a noteboard - 07/03/2017 10:41:01 PM

View original postSo you've still not answered my question (or I missed it). What's the difference? Why do we indulge someone's obsession with changing a fundamental issue with themselves, and expecting everyone else to play along...whereas with other mental health issues, we step in and stop their behavior for their own good and we do not play along?

As I said, it makes sense to describe gender dysphoria as a mental health issue - but it's a special one because, at least in many or most cases, the people suffering from that can actually be given what they are longing for in a relatively straightforward way, hence permanently solving the problem.
View original postWhy do we interfere with people who have debilitating OCD or Depression? Why do we interfere with people who suffer with suicidal thoughts? Why do we interfere with people who have eating disorders? Are their mental beliefs (their inner self) not just as "legitimate" as the transgendered persons?

Because gender dysphoria can be permanently cured by simply giving people what it is they're longing for, which doesn't do them or others any harm. You can't say that for any of the other things you mentioned.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I would guess that you're perfectly aware of all this, the problem being merely that you consider gender reassignment surgery as automatically wrong and harmful even to people who hold it as their deepest heart's desire. In which case the reasoning does break down, but only because of your dogmatic position on the topic.

View original postOn a side note: the concept of "why not do what makes you happy," is probably one of the single most damaging belief structures you can ever have. Why? Because it places a stricture on your life that you must always follow your emotions. That somehow your emotions should reign supreme in your behavior. If I always followed my emotions, I'd be in a very bad place. I very purposefully do not follow my emotions. Why? Because they shift and change from one day to the next. They are stronger or weaker over the long haul. I very purposefully chose to adhere myself to something that I stick to as well as I can....regardless of my emotional state.

I said 'what makes you happy', as in happy in the long run, not 'what you feel like doing at a particular moment'. I think everybody is very, very clear that gender reassignment surgery isn't something you undertake on a whim after waking up one day and thinking it'd be fun to have another gender for a change.

Naturally as a Christian you would say there should be higher goals in life than even your happiness even over the long term - but then, it's not as if gender reassignment surgery would stop someone from adhering to such higher goals or from being a Christian, so it's not an either-or deal.

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Mind over body might've been more apt. I believe I did answer your question actually. - 07/03/2017 10:41:01 PM 598 Views
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