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It is an allegation, nothing more; even Trump has not offered ANY evidence Joel Send a noteboard - 06/03/2017 03:36:11 AM

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So lately the possibility that Obama or the Obama administration ordered trump wire tapped during the election has been in the news with trump tweeting about it and the white house calling for an investigation.

What's everyone think about this? Do we believe it's true? And if so what are the implications of that?

Let's discuss


Everyone else in a position to know, in not only the previous but the CURRENT administration, has categorically denied it, noting (among other things) that NO FISA warrant for such an action exists nor was ever even sought. Pressed to prove up or shut up, Trump offers only this:
Reports concerning potentially politically motivated investigations immediately ahead of the 2016 election are very troubling.

President Donald J. Trump is requesting that as part of their investigation into Russian activity, the congressional intelligence committees exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016. Neither the White House nor the President will comment further until such oversight is conducted.


Of course, the only "reports" about his allegations are Trump MAKING them; citing oneself as a "source" just will not fly. Yet the latest tweet still contains some inadvertent truth: He wants the Congressional investigations into his 1) campaign manager, 2) NSA Director, 3) Atty. Gen. and 4) son-in-law meeting with Russian officials during and after the election Russia was hacking to INSTEAD focus on his "fake news" about Obama. Maybe they can find his birth certificate (again) while they are at it.

He is really just recycling a "story" from one of the House Republicans a few weeks ago, dismissing the treason to insist the "real" issue is "why was the US government tapping one of its private citizens phones?!eleven" The answer, of course, is "it was not: It merely tapped the RUSSIANS phones and Mike Flynn just happened to call. Five times in a single day."

My favorite part is explaining away all the meetings with the Russian ambassador as routine because all the Trump campaign staffers were at the Republican National Convention, and the Russian ambassador was also there because he was invited.

See? The Republican Party just invited the Russian ambassador to the convention that nominated their presidential ticket; no big deal.

That will make it a lot harder to just blame the whole thing on Trump, impeach him, excuse the rest of the GOP, and smoothly swear in Pence.

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Trump wire tapping - 06/03/2017 02:36:15 AM 659 Views
It is an allegation, nothing more; even Trump has not offered ANY evidence - 06/03/2017 03:36:11 AM 796 Views
Ummm, try again - 06/03/2017 02:09:04 PM 626 Views
Even the lone unnamed source (i.e. The Guardians) does not corroborate Trumps claim - 06/03/2017 05:42:32 PM 779 Views
Keep trying - 06/03/2017 06:10:07 PM 494 Views
It is ONE anonymous source, who STILL never said, "phone tap," nor "Trump" - 06/03/2017 06:16:07 PM 652 Views
EVERYTHING for the last year has been anonymous sources... - 06/03/2017 09:49:27 PM 532 Views
anonymous sources are the new facts *NM* - 06/03/2017 09:59:06 PM 241 Views
It's just a baseless charge thrown out there to distract the press. - 06/03/2017 03:54:16 AM 540 Views
Yes and no - 06/03/2017 05:59:26 PM 631 Views
Philosophical question: if Trump isn't front page news, does he really exist? *NM* - 06/03/2017 06:18:19 AM 300 Views
That is when he is most real - 06/03/2017 06:03:11 PM 635 Views
Not far fetched. Obama did something similar to Merkel, did he not ? - 06/03/2017 08:34:40 AM 649 Views
It is not true until the NYT has an unnamed source *NM* - 06/03/2017 11:53:19 AM 293 Views
Actually, the whole thing is from one unnamed Guardian source (who did not say what Trump claims) - 06/03/2017 05:59:41 PM 659 Views
Source? *NM* - 06/03/2017 06:02:21 PM 227 Views
Sure; it is the one I linked in response to HyggaRott - 06/03/2017 06:08:29 PM 729 Views
So says the WP unamed source. And they call that fact checking - 06/03/2017 09:05:09 PM 550 Views
I watch too much "House of Cards".... - 06/03/2017 08:55:52 PM 577 Views

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