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I will give you the bin Laden one Tom Send a noteboard - 27/10/2016 06:17:28 PM

By all accounts, Obama was being the pussy he usually is and Hillary and Bob Gates really forced his hand on that one, with good result.

On the status of forces agreement for Iraq, no country ever agrees to our provisions at first. Then we tell them, "Either your brains or your signature will be on this contract" (more or less) and they say, "Okay." This was the ONLY time we didn't do that. While maybe in some circumstances I could see taking a principled, "we're not going to bully them" approach might make sense, the Iraqi government only exists at our sufferance and due to our support. The immediate growth of ISIS following our departure only makes that fact painfully evident. The ultimate failure is, of course, Obama's (as in so many other things), but Hillary could have resigned if she was being countermanded left and right. (Note use of the indicative rather than the subjunctive there - I'm expressing an uncertainty about whether she was being countermanded rather than stating that I believe it to be counterfactual).

On Ukraine, we set up a situation where Yanukovich had to choose between the aspirational dreams of his people as expressed in the Ukraine-EU Treaty, and the present economic interests of his country and in particular the part of the country that voted for him 0% of Ukraine's exports went to Russia prior to the Maidan, and Europe doesn't want most of it and never will) in the form of the Ukraine-Eurasian Customs Association treaty. There was no reason he couldn't sign both if the EU and US didn't pull the rug out from Yanukovich at the last minute (which we did). That triggered the Maidan, which we then funded (or do you think that people are going to stand out in subzero January weather for weeks and weeks without at least getting some money to keep paying for their power and apartments and shit like that?) and organized (Victoria Nuland's phone intercepts were confirmed to be legitimate).

As for North Korea, we all know that the key is actually negotiating a resolution to the problem with China, definitively and for all time. If there is ever political will in the US for that, we could shut down Chinese support for North Korea overnight.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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