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And what did she do as Secretary of State? (other than delete emails after storing them unsafely) Tom Send a noteboard - 25/10/2016 05:16:35 AM

You say she was "harmoniously working with the White House from the start despite the rivalry with Obama, projecting toughness where necessary but making friends where possible."

Can you provide any examples of anything? Hell, she and Obama didn't even get a status of forces agreement with Iraq. That, more than anything else, paved the way for the growth of ISIS (so yes, Trump is mostly right when he blames Obama and Hillary). The "Sunni Awakening" was working but instead of keeping troops in country and forcing the government to continue integration of the various power centers, we walked away and let a government that largely existed due to our support engage in active stupidity.

She gave the Russians a little button that said "Overload" instead of "Reset" because apparently people at the State Department are complete morons and can't speak Russian, but then again that makes sense since while she was claiming to repair relations with Russia other parts of the State Department were actively working to undermine Russia's allies (like Ukraine pre-2014) and stoke its inherent paranoia about NATO's eastward expansion.

She totally failed to make any progress on North Korea. She stabbed Hosni Mubarak in the back and Qaddhafi in the face, the one who we spent billions each year propping up and the other whom we had just convinced to come in from isolation under Bush. She got our ambassador killed in Benghazi and lied about it.

You call this a competent tenure as Secretary of State? Just because she didn't start a nuclear war with our greatest ally, the UK? The world is a fucking mess right now, and regardless of what you think about the Iraq invasion or the Bush doctrine, when George W. Bush left office it was a Hell of a lot more stable, even when factoring in the economic crisis.

Other than betraying allies and getting State Department officials killed, what exactly did Hillary do?

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

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