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Well, great minds think alike and all that? Legolas Send a noteboard - 12/05/2016 12:24:25 AM

View original postTrump's foreign policy is not as "incoherent" as you claim. It essentially stresses several points:

Like most everything else Trump says, his foreign policy works almost like a Rorschach test where you can read into it whatever you like. Pro-Israel Republican orthodoxy or more pro-Palestinian than Obama. Isolationist or interventionist. For the war in Iraq in 2003 but then trying to rewrite history to say he wasn't. Looking to retrench or on the warpath with China. It goes on.

Yeah, I'm sure he would appoint people at State and at Defence who did have a coherent vision, but for them to be successful he'd still need to support and reinforce their messages. Have you noticed Trump being any good at following his advisers' and campaign managers' strategic lines so far in this campaign? I sure haven't.

View original post1. Strong national defense as a deterrent (nothing shocking or new there)


View original post2. US self-interest as opposed to nation-building, ideological moves or imperialism, which has a few corollaries:

View original post2a. Our allies need to pay their fair share of collective defense obligations (NATO, South Korea, Japan)

View original post2b. We should avoid getting involved in other peoples' problems (Syria, Iraq - 2003, probably Ukraine)

View original post2c. If we do have to get involved, we do what it takes to win and get the hell out (Iraq now probably)

View original post2d. Sometimes the dictator is better than the alternative (Syria, Iraq, Libya)


View original post3. We shouldn't pull the rug out from under our allies (Egypt, Israel)


View original postWhile Item 3 may at times seem to clash with some of Item 2, it's a fine balance.


View original postIf you don't believe that millions of lives have been destroyed by free trade, you haven't visited a lot of small towns in America. I lived in many of those small towns. The poverty has risen, health has declined, suicide rates are up dramatically, families are disrupted as a result, and a smart trade policy can fix it.

I'm aware of those problems - nowhere in the West have the last two or three decades been all that great for the relatively low-skilled workers. But you can't blame all that on free trade. Not to go all Piketty on you, but I'm sure you're familiar with the numbers of how management remuneration as a share of company expenses, and as a multiple of low-level staff wages, has exploded over the decades.
View original postYour statement that the problem is "not free trade itself but the way its rewards are distributed inside the USA" is a truism. It's like saying that gun violence is not a problem "with guns themselves but the way people use them to kill others". However, the very fact that you say "the way its rewards are distributed" betrays a Leftist approach to the issue. Trump is offering a free-market style solution that essentially will likely involve carrots and sticks to encourage more production in the US. This whole "retraining" bullshit was started under Bill Clinton and I see you're parroting it. But what do you retrain a Carrier air conditioning factory worker to do? Flip burgers? Mindlessly process mountains of useless medical records generated due to Obamacare? We can't sustain an economy on service jobs. We need to make shit too; in fact, the reason why the minimum wage is an issue now is because people realize that most service jobs are too fungible to pay a good wage (I'm obviously excepting licensed professional services).

Actually, it betrays an economist's approach to the issue - if free trade is beneficial to the economy as a whole, which it is, but ends up being blocked by those it disadvantages, then there has to be a way for the 'winners' to compensate the losers sufficiently for them to accept it, while still leaving the winners better off than they were. And I assume you're aware that the NRA and millions of your fellow Trump voters do constantly use that 'guns don't kill people, people do' line, even if you don't.

Good that you mention licensed professional services, because that ties neatly into a second problem in the American and to a lesser extent other Western economies: rent-seeking. Such as bogus licensing requirements in professions that don't remotely require it, just to protect insiders' incomes and keep newcomers out. Or big companies lobbying for thousands upon thousands of obscure tax benefits that regular small companies can never access in the same way.

Retraining is simply part of the new reality, and will be so even if you do turn protectionist. In a time where some of the world's biggest and most influential companies operate in fields that didn't even exist fifteen to twenty years ago, it should be clear that the old system of studying/training a few years and using that for the rest of your career is dead and buried. Your air-conditioner worker can lose his job as easily to a robot as to the Chinese.

View original postWe need more engineers, scientists, researchers, high-tech factories, and probably a bunch more semi-skilled factory jobs in low-tech areas too. While some industries were already doomed in the US 30 years ago, like low-quality steel, there are plenty of places where we could have saved jobs but didn't.

Of course you need more effort into STEM, better education, continued support for research. But saving jobs artificially through protectionism doesn't help America as a whole.
View original postIf Trump has the right people in place, and I firmly believe he does pick the right people and knows how to delegate, I think we can strike the right balance between free trade benefits and a bit more protection of US jobs. It's not an either/or dichotomy.

Agreed that it's not either/or, but much like in his foreign policy, Trump is a fool if he believes that he can just walk in and get a deal improving the American position on all points. If he starts with tariffs to protect certain industries, he can be very sure that there will be retaliations, costing other Americans their jobs. As I recall, George W tried that a few times with the Europeans, who then went out of their way to pick industries predominantly present in swing states to put retaliatory tariffs on.

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