View original postThey want an ethnic and culture homeland at the expense of people who don't share their ethnic group? Fine but then quit whining about how evil others were for attempting the same thing. And no, I'm not saying Israel has done anything remotely on the level as the Holocaust, but you know that's not the only thing they complain about the Nazis doing to them. Even the more minor instances of oppression, even the very GOAL of a Germany for Germans, is harped on as being evil. Yet it's somehow okay when THEY do it.
What, because Germany wasn't for Germans before that? As you can tell from my posts above I'm not much of a Zionist, but a movement aiming to create a national state for a people that doesn't already have one, is very different from nationalists aiming to expel or oppress minorities from the homeland they already have. And the large majority of Israelis have always been fine with having non-Jewish minorities in Israel.
I mean, I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find find points on which Israel has once done something resembling something Nazis did at some point - but if so, that would generally be because a lot of people have done such a thing at some point. And picking precisely the Nazis as a comparison is pretty damn hurtful, considering.
View original postIt's either okay or it isn't. It's not okay when it benefits Jews and evil when it doesn't. They're not special, they're like everyone else.
Of course I can't argue with that - but somehow it seems comparisons to the Holocaust do come up rather more often for Israel than for everyone else, despite or perhaps exactly because of the fact that that accusation is even more painful and insulting for them than for anyone else.
View original postWell, that was in response to a line in the original article about how scary it was that, once Israel showed it could defend itself, it wasn't entitled to special protection from Europe anymore. Seems pretty hypocritical to take protection from Europe as a given while also whining about how Israel shouldn't need Europe's approval for anything it does.
I don't think either you or Cannoli are getting what I - and I assume AgentApple - liked about the article, possibly because you're less familiar with the European left and its thinking. I don't think the author's intention was to complain, or not as much as you both suggest anyway, but rather to explain and describe the evolution in thinking on the European left. And that was certainly an important point in that regard.
The Holocaust, the Left and the Return of Hate
04/05/2016 09:52:39 PM
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The one state "solution" is either anti-Sematic or just very naive or uninformed
05/05/2016 12:27:19 AM
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Meh
05/05/2016 06:32:13 PM
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Uh. See, some of that, I would call anti-Semitic.
06/05/2016 07:39:23 PM
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Don't care
06/05/2016 09:48:23 PM
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I'm glad to hear you're not saying that.
06/05/2016 10:20:25 PM
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Re: I'm glad to hear you're not saying that.
07/05/2016 03:51:05 PM
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I don't know what approach you would normally take for tough love with your friends...
08/05/2016 10:47:10 PM
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Is it really because Nazi comparisons are more painful, or because they're ironic?
19/05/2016 03:14:22 AM
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It's not really about why people would make the association in their head...
19/05/2016 05:32:33 PM
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Care to expand?
09/05/2016 01:46:01 PM
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Taking someone else's homeland for themselves
12/05/2016 05:52:16 PM
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The Left seems perfectly fine letting in millions of refugees into Europe
17/05/2016 09:44:20 AM
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It was British land to do with as they pleased. The Ottomans lost WWI.
19/05/2016 05:57:55 PM
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This is just the same old leftist crap coming around full circle.
06/05/2016 06:16:31 AM
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You realize you're not obligated to reply something to every single paragraph, yes?
06/05/2016 08:30:36 PM
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Re: You realize you're not obligated to reply something to every single paragraph, yes?
07/05/2016 09:17:49 PM
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