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Can people really be this stupid? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 21/11/2015 12:36:55 PM

An article on The Guardian.com triumphantly proclaims that "None of the Isis(sic)-linked suspects who have ever been charged in the United States came from Syria and the overwhelming majority were born in the US...". The article quotes the director of a special interest group saying "The current rush to suspend America's asylum program is 'misguided'". In the immediately preceding paragraph, this same individual, one Karen Greenberg, cites those arrested as ISIS supporters as "They are young, they are spread over a wide geography, they are impervious to profiling in many ways,”

You know, except for mostly being Muslims...

This is an age old debate tactic of the Left. The Right cites an example of a systemic or widespread problem, the left treats it as occurring in a vacuum. In this case, the problem the Right has long had with immigration is that while their kids might learn English, bringing them in the country en masse from foreign cultures impedes assimilation, and stalls the process of them identifying as Americans first over their connection to their former countries. The excuse of the left, here and now, is that the refugees are not the sort to commit terrorism, and they point out how few refugees are actually terrorists. But that's not the problem! People have not been raising serious demographic questions about the immigration issue over the last 20 years on the basis that immigrants are going to conceal terrorists among their numbers, they have been concerned about importing a dissident class that doesn't share out values and beliefs, the "idea" of America, in numbers too large to assimilate. And that's where we get "American-born terrorists.". Sure none of them came from Syria, now. But it's not like Syria has historically been the problem. A number cited were born in Bosnia, but twenty years ago, any objection to taking in refugees from the fighting in the Balkans undoubtedly met with a huffy proclamation that there have never been any Bosnian terrorists, the Bosnians did not bomb the Stark or the Marine barracks or seize any airliners of cruise ships. If we take in thousands of Syrian refugees, they are going to form Syrian enclaves, and at BEST, they are going to stay here, be very prosperous, have comfortable lives, and their children are going to grow up not being allowed to hear anything bad about militant Islam without a disclaimer about the religion of peace, but their textbooks and teachers are going to teach them all about the evils of Western civilization and the exaggerated or imagined atrocities of the Crusaders, and some of them will wander into the wrong mosque or madras, and get an earful of the glories of jihad, and when they are arrested or killed fighting for militant Islam, they will be cited as American-born terrorists, and not at all relevant to the issue of admitting Indonesian refugees from the latest round of fighting provoked by an explosion at the Sydney Opera House.

The left projects bad motives to everything the right does, and argues that straw man position. No one objects to feeding and caring for the refugees. We have a problem with them staying here and raising foreigners in America under the false identity of American. The liberals love to claim that America is not tied to an ethnic group (but it's just coincidence that 42 of 44 presidents have been WASPS, and the two exceptions were a Protestant and a white man descended from UK subjects), that America is an "idea" or a "dream" but they persist in encouraging people who don't share that idea or dream to live here and collect taxpayer largesse in exchange for voting Democrat, while raising children whose ideas are not rooted in 13th century Britain or 1st Century Rome, but 6th century Arabia, and whose dream is to live in a Caliphate or at least kick some infidel ass.

Another, less highlighted argument is to point out that militant Islam is mostly targeted at moderate Islam and secular Islam... you know, exactly the kind of people they want us to bring here. Regardless of which side is true, they want us to bring in shooters or targets. And the more moderate and secular refugees we bring into this country, the less likely the sorts of "American-born terrorists" the article cites as aspiring to go abroad to fight for the jihad are going to NEED to go abroad to fight their Islamic foes.

It's really too bad about what's going on in Syria, but people get the government they deserve. We are under no obligation to bring those same people here, lest they bring their problems with them.

Cannoli
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Can people really be this stupid? - 21/11/2015 12:36:55 PM 1718 Views
Your argument would be a lot more convincing if it weren't for the puny numbers. - 21/11/2015 02:12:23 PM 860 Views
Still too much *NM* - 21/11/2015 10:59:15 PM 537 Views
I assume that is rhetorical question since the answer is almost always yes *NM* - 23/11/2015 08:19:50 PM 407 Views
you know it's mostly white christians who commit terrorist acts on US soil, right? - 24/11/2015 11:08:42 PM 841 Views
That is only true becuase of the morons who decide who is a terrorist - 25/11/2015 02:03:32 PM 510 Views
Those morons are specifically the Southern Poverty Law Center, a far left group. - 25/11/2015 02:05:57 PM 570 Views
the FBI and DHS are hardly far left groups - 25/11/2015 06:49:44 PM 544 Views
Ah yes, play the race card. - 25/11/2015 07:09:29 PM 572 Views
which race card is that? - 30/11/2015 07:14:05 PM 552 Views
Since Obama took over the Justice Department ahs become a far left poltical group - 26/11/2015 03:05:46 PM 586 Views
wow, you actually believe that bullshit? - 30/11/2015 07:22:10 PM 656 Views
Do you actaully tbelieve the stupid shit you right? The vast maority of the senate is far right? - 01/12/2015 09:10:31 PM 928 Views
While I'd have to agree with your subject line... - 01/12/2015 10:54:08 PM 646 Views
I don't like lynch mobs it is as simple as that - 02/12/2015 04:08:00 PM 578 Views
what part of "treat everyone the same" is so hard for you to grasp? - 03/12/2015 09:34:54 PM 593 Views
In some cases they were proven wrong, in others not. - 04/12/2015 12:49:50 AM 635 Views
By their own definition they should be on the list *NM* - 26/11/2015 02:59:01 PM 270 Views
In the sense that Obama is a Christian, sure. - 01/12/2015 11:36:29 PM 677 Views

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