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read slower and then read again until you understand what I said random thoughts Send a noteboard - 29/07/2015 08:14:19 PM

Modern UK accents do not sound as muck like accents from Victorian UK as modern Southern accents do. That really is not that hard to understand or surprising if you think about it. The people in the American South were Victorian Brits when they came over and being more isolated the their cousin back across the pond it is hardly surprising they have less drift.



View original postMy bad; I should stop overestimating people, but it will not happen again: Promise.

You would have to understand them to make any accurate estimate all.


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View original postI said the modern southern accent was close to Victorian English, probably much closer than what is poke in England today.


View original postYou also said "the" Southern dialect is the "largest" English one, which is dubious at best. When that doubt was noted, you doubled down by switching the topic from dialect to ACCENT (which is a different thing) and saying the Southern accent (which ONE?!) is most like Victorian English and thus probably most like British English (good luck convincing anyone outside or even most WITHIN the US that the British speak "accented US English.)and modern Englishare : ONE Southern dialect.

Accent and dialect are similar with accent being a subgroup to dialect. Dialect would have been the correct term and the American southern dialect.

Just because a people don't like the idea makes it no less true. The modern British non-rhetoric accent did come about until it became fashionable in the 1800s. If you spoke to a Brit in 1750 he would have sounded different but he would have sound more like he was from North Carolina then Liverpool. These are simple facts but feel free to present facts to contradict me.


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View original postBut yes it does all come down to how you subdivide the accents and I went with what linguist say but you go with whatever makes you happy. Just treat it the same way you do politics and religion.


View original postWhen discussing "ya'll" v. "you guys" etc. it comes down to dialect; accent is a(n irrelevant) question of how to pronounce words like "tomato" that are spelled and used the same in all English dialects. It might be wise to consult Wikipedias authoritarian lingual scholars further before proceeding further here. Either way, while majorities on half of all continents use English as a native language (and the majority of a fourth speaks it,) "ya'll" is rarely found outside the Southern US (ironically, the biggest exception is in urban US areas, largely due to the Great Migration from the South.) In terms of accents (once again) only ONE of many Southern accents is even remotely like Victorian OR modern British English, and that particular "Southern" accent is closer to New Englands, Britains and South Africas than to ANY other Southern one.


View original postJust treat "dialect" and "accent" like "patriotism" and "proof," declaring them redefined however serves your preferred worldview.

Y'all is new creation that did not become commonly used until the 1800s so it is hardly surprising that is used mostly in the US but there is a lot more to the American southern dialect than that one contraction.

article describing how the brits changed the way they spoke
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Y'all, you guys, yous guys, or hey you all? Min Farshaw - 25/07/2015 05:38:44 PM 1046 Views
Y'all may be the American South's greatest gift to the English language. Ghavrel - 27/07/2015 12:14:47 AM 685 Views
*whistles innocently* Joel - 27/07/2015 04:17:43 AM 816 Views
"Hey, you guys!" is only correct if you are Rita Moreno Joel - 27/07/2015 04:15:07 AM 649 Views
Perhaps, but you're also wrong. Min Farshaw - 27/07/2015 04:45:48 AM 889 Views
Both spellings are "correct" to the extent EITHER are. Joel - 27/07/2015 05:04:43 AM 870 Views
Funny.... Jeordam - 29/07/2015 12:13:35 AM 750 Views
That is because your fascist indoctrination prohibits viewing PBS' communist indoctrination Joel - 29/07/2015 01:54:30 AM 763 Views
It is also correct if you are Sloth... on a pirate ship... *NM* MightyYT - 29/07/2015 07:09:56 PM 553 Views
I will defer to you and Jeordam on that one Joel - 29/07/2015 07:45:31 PM 724 Views
well since language is a democracy and the souther dialetic is the largest Y'all wins random thoughts - 27/07/2015 02:07:22 PM 805 Views
The Southern dialect is the largest by what metric? Joel - 27/07/2015 06:26:20 PM 798 Views
It also the accent most similar to what Victorian brits would have spoken random thoughts - 27/07/2015 07:45:09 PM 720 Views
Whoa, now: The PIEDMONT accent may be closest to Received Pronunciation, but is not the whole South Joel - 28/07/2015 12:37:56 AM 803 Views
I don't make the catagories but all the southern accents tend to be close *NM* random thoughts - 28/07/2015 02:12:15 PM 502 Views
Except, as you noted, Virginias accent is closer to Englands (and New Englands, and South Africas) Joel - 28/07/2015 11:00:46 PM 767 Views
that is not what I said random thoughts - 29/07/2015 02:14:49 PM 779 Views
Sorry, I credited you w/knowing the Deep South, Appalachia and TX sound nothing like any UK accents Joel - 29/07/2015 07:42:21 PM 726 Views
read slower and then read again until you understand what I said random thoughts - 29/07/2015 08:14:19 PM 1002 Views
"The people in the American South were Victorian Brits"?! I must have read that too fast Joel - 29/07/2015 10:39:08 PM 735 Views
Erm. Not really sure what you're saying here... Legolas - 29/07/2015 11:35:26 PM 688 Views
Would "UK English" have been better? Joel - 30/07/2015 10:47:53 PM 735 Views
Not really. Legolas - 31/07/2015 07:30:41 AM 691 Views
Like in most things Joel is wrong. The US has the larget population of English speakers random thoughts - 31/07/2015 03:20:51 PM 790 Views
As in most things, you admit failure to do your homework yet still claim absolute certainty Joel - 10/08/2015 02:30:34 AM 875 Views
David Crystal estimates proficient non-natives outnumber native English speakers 3:1 Joel - 10/08/2015 02:45:58 AM 666 Views
Interesting stuff. Legolas - 10/08/2015 07:12:26 PM 765 Views
what is not now considerd a proper British accent is called Received Pronunciation random thoughts - 31/07/2015 03:11:36 PM 969 Views
I already explicitly referenced RP at least twice in response to you (also: Still not a DIALECT) Joel - 10/08/2015 02:33:17 AM 968 Views
Actually, since you got me thinking, please enlighten us: What would you call YOUR English dialect? Joel - 30/07/2015 11:19:06 PM 785 Views
I assume it would besouthern but it is hard to judge yourself random thoughts - 11/08/2015 08:22:34 PM 763 Views
Sorry I did not put enough research into what I consider trivia but the point is stil valid random thoughts - 30/07/2015 01:30:39 PM 767 Views
Ok they sounded more like the British at the beggining of the Victorian era random thoughts - 30/07/2015 01:34:15 PM 800 Views
Trivial or not, absolute assertions absent even cursory verification invite trouble Joel - 30/07/2015 11:12:01 PM 769 Views
The Brits didn't change theway they spoke until the 19th century. random thoughts - 31/07/2015 02:50:23 PM 815 Views
Every land has always constantly changed how it speaks, RP was mostly complete by the 17th century & Joel - 10/08/2015 02:33:03 AM 756 Views
Who says "yous guys"? Seriously? Legolas - 27/07/2015 07:56:28 PM 717 Views
B-movie mobsters Joel - 28/07/2015 12:40:04 AM 888 Views
They said it when I lived in Chicago random thoughts - 28/07/2015 02:10:27 PM 704 Views
Scots. Rebekah - 28/07/2015 02:42:28 PM 748 Views
I have heard it a couple of times. Tom - 28/07/2015 03:13:20 PM 697 Views
Isn't fake culture almos the defintion of hipster? *NM* random thoughts - 28/07/2015 05:18:53 PM 368 Views
Depends, are trying to sound cool, like a douche, or Joe Pesci? *NM* MightyYT - 29/07/2015 07:12:28 PM 559 Views
The distinction between the first two is negligible Joel - 29/07/2015 07:52:50 PM 737 Views
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