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Re: That isn't my argument. moondog Send a noteboard - 04/12/2014 08:06:38 PM

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And now you made me get out the computer. I can't rant on the phone.
View original postAnd I have looked. Since you are more rational than most of the left leaning people on this site I was curious why you would think the Grand Jury is wrong. You are in the fact that I don't see any nuance in this. The complete lack of evidence need to get a conviction seem to take nuance out of the equation.

I don't think the grand jury is wrong - I wasn't there, and I don't know what they know. That's not my point at all. If I had to pick, I'd be more on the "side" of the cop, but that's also not my point. It's that I'm making that decision based on very limited information, which makes me exceedingly uncomfortable.

We are all choosing sides based on very limited information. I wish people* didn't seem so gleeful about this. Maybe it hasn't been your experience, but I've seen so many posts/comments by white people that are borderline (if not outright) racist. It's making me want to puke, because though I don't think Brown was innocent, and I don't think he should have resisted (etc) Wilson, and looting is abhorrent (and, and, AND!!), I don't like that we're using this as a reason to pretend racism doesn't exist, or that it's becoming ok again because someone else is acting like an idiot, or that these people absolutely can't have any well-earned reason for desperately wanting to fight the system, or are so apathetic that "bring it on" feels more appropriate than "sorry, officer, I'll go home now," or, or OR!!

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I told you it would be tiring. The nuance isn't in the case itself (or I'm not well-informed enough to find it there). It's in the way everyone is treating it as one thing or another, when there are so many freaking layers I can't stand it.

*possibly mostly the media flavoring things, but I've seen too much shit on facebook to believe it's all down to them.

For the record, none of this rant is directed at you. I definitely appreciate your attempt at true/fair discourse. I'm just ANGRY.


if you feel like wading through the bullshit, i think Mike Brown's friends testimony is pretty well nuanced and touches a lot of what i think you are trying to say as far as the actual case is concerned. for the rest, it would have made a lot of sense to have everything put on trial where the facts could be judged appropriately, even if it resulted in a non-conviction. refusing to even bring it to trial has caused much more anger than normal, and everyone is going to have their own take on why and how to move forward. the only thing i think that can be done is to accept that the police should be aware that they are being more scrutinized than ever before, and that minorities should probably carry their own always-on cameras to record any potentially fatal encounters with police.

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Well your post is nonsense but I am not sure thats is what you meant random thoughts - 30/11/2014 03:51:30 PM 813 Views
I was going to reply, but you already wiped up the mess. Thanks! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 30/11/2014 08:55:31 PM 369 Views
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watch the crawford video yourself and tell us where you think he deserved to die moondog - 04/12/2014 06:19:11 PM 857 Views
Re: Well your post is nonsense but I am not sure thats is what you meant Sports_Gambler - 01/12/2014 09:11:38 AM 763 Views
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the indigenous population were "foreigners"? that is to laugh.... moondog - 04/12/2014 07:56:22 PM 751 Views
just because you lack the intilect to undestand a concept does make it invalid random thoughts - 04/12/2014 11:08:57 PM 719 Views
The problem is the usual one in American politics - people don't even agree on the facts anymore. Legolas - 30/11/2014 06:23:34 PM 776 Views
The problem is people are ignoring the facts and the media is leading the charge *NM* random thoughts - 01/12/2014 01:33:43 PM 505 Views
Bingo..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 01/12/2014 02:43:50 PM 373 Views
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I honestly don't feel like discussing that with you, because nuance doesn't seem to be a thing. nossy - 02/12/2014 09:54:53 PM 736 Views
Sorry but I am just have a hard time finding anyone making a valid argument that GJ was wrong random thoughts - 03/12/2014 02:13:47 PM 778 Views
That isn't my argument. nossy - 03/12/2014 10:04:39 PM 793 Views
Re: That isn't my argument. moondog - 04/12/2014 08:06:38 PM 953 Views
rampid stupidity it the real problem and thank for demonstraing that random thoughts - 04/12/2014 11:06:49 PM 1115 Views
I don't care what you say to MD anywhere else, nossy - 05/12/2014 11:29:43 AM 859 Views
How many people on "your" side waited for these facts to make up their mind? Legolas - 01/12/2014 08:30:03 PM 754 Views
why all of them of course random thoughts - 01/12/2014 11:36:33 PM 765 Views
Well, that was my position when moondog posted the first time on this site Cannoli - 03/12/2014 11:31:35 PM 853 Views
the problem is that facts are often taken for granted when the police are supplying them moondog - 04/12/2014 06:25:57 PM 771 Views
so you r argument is don't believe the evidience believe what some dude oonthe internet said? *NM* random thoughts - 04/12/2014 07:28:01 PM 411 Views
good job ignoring the facts in the case. you'd make a great DA when Robert McCulloch retires *NM* moondog - 04/12/2014 07:55:47 PM 361 Views
good job make stupiud statements with nothing to back them up *NM* random thoughts - 04/12/2014 10:59:38 PM 395 Views
This is as dumb as the other post. *NM* Ghavrel - 02/12/2014 04:14:12 AM 415 Views
Horseshit random thoughts - 02/12/2014 01:32:07 PM 705 Views
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