sorry, i mistook you for a human capable of compassion. my mistake
moondog Send a noteboard - 04/12/2014 07:47:35 PM
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He was resisting arrest. He was speaking so he could breath. I see no indication the officer intended to injure him. The video says he died of a heart attack not of strangulation. By definition if you are talking you are breathing since speech is nothing more than modulated breath.
He was resisting arrest. He was speaking so he could breath. I see no indication the officer intended to injure him. The video says he died of a heart attack not of strangulation. By definition if you are talking you are breathing since speech is nothing more than modulated breath.
I still no force being used until he refused to comply. I still see him being release once he was secured and I still see his non compliance as the reason force was used. I do think the officer should be disciplined and mostly fired but I don't see disregard for human life.
for the record: they "released" him after he had stopped breathing. they never administer CPR or any other medical help after they finish cuffing him. the cop used a stranglehold move expressly forbidden by the NYPD since 1991. and if you think lack of medical attention after that episode is not disregard for human life, then i wonder what you think human life actually is.
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New York cop pushes black man's face into pavement and chokes him to death for selling cigerettes
- 04/12/2014 12:03:54 AM
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What does his color have to do with anything?
- 04/12/2014 07:37:08 AM
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A short answer for your long post
- 04/12/2014 04:43:12 PM
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123 blacks shot to death by cops in 2012; 326 whites.
- 05/12/2014 12:40:56 AM
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I hate these stats, so misleading. Only 13% of the US population is black!
- 05/12/2014 02:02:18 PM
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"Proportions, man."
- 05/12/2014 02:28:23 PM
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math is hard
- 05/12/2014 02:45:08 PM
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It doesn't matter why.
- 05/12/2014 03:19:54 PM
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it does to me.
- 05/12/2014 03:52:01 PM
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But that's a completely separate issue than the one that the post is talking about.
- 05/12/2014 05:12:44 PM
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Heh, yes. Because none of us ever adds layers to these posts. Ever. 
- 05/12/2014 07:34:04 PM
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- 05/12/2014 07:34:04 PM
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That is SUCH A BAD SENTENCE.
- 05/12/2014 08:07:18 PM
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I'm not Tom
- 05/12/2014 10:13:43 PM
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Re: "Proportions, man."
- 05/12/2014 03:34:16 PM
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And now you're the one doing exactly what you implied Cannoli was doing.
- 05/12/2014 05:17:25 PM
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Implicit in your posts seems to be the assumption that crime rates and arrest rates are equal
- 06/12/2014 09:26:13 AM
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If you want to keep getting deeper in the weeds.....
- 06/12/2014 07:28:49 PM
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I'm not disputing that; I'm saying there's an issue with the overall rates of arrest. *NM*
- 06/12/2014 08:29:49 PM
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the problem with your example is it the execption not the rule
- 08/12/2014 02:40:14 PM
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I don't have any proof of that either way. I agree that broken window policing plays a role. *NM*
- 09/12/2014 12:25:14 AM
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L-Dog is right, you are wrong, look at the proportion of crimes committed.....
- 05/12/2014 06:30:29 PM
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he was not choked to death and he was not choked for selling cigerettes
- 04/12/2014 02:28:44 PM
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I mean, "Killed him without intent" is pretty much the definition of manslaughter, isn't it? *NM*
- 04/12/2014 04:44:18 PM
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did you actually watch the video of his death?
- 04/12/2014 06:30:26 PM
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OK watched it all the way. Which one of my conclusions were suppossed to change?
- 04/12/2014 07:39:07 PM
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sorry, i mistook you for a human capable of compassion. my mistake
- 04/12/2014 07:47:35 PM
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Don't worry I don't mistaake you for someone capable of rational thought
- 04/12/2014 10:56:44 PM
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The guy is dead due to preexisting medical conditions and for resisting arrest.
- 04/12/2014 05:11:41 PM
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watch the video below - the choke hold applied is barred from use by NYPD rules
- 04/12/2014 07:43:15 PM
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The multi-racial grand jury concluded it wasn't a choke hold. *NM*
- 04/12/2014 07:47:31 PM
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with secret testimony how do you know for sure? they only chose not to indict
- 04/12/2014 07:52:04 PM
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The grand jury had all the facts, much, much, much more than you could imagine.
- 04/12/2014 08:00:51 PM
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the grand jury had all the facts the DA felt they needed to not indict and much much more
- 04/12/2014 08:10:26 PM
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according to you all they needed was the video and if they didn't see that there is a problem *NM*
- 04/12/2014 10:58:34 PM
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where did you get the heart attack from? wikipedia shows it as a homicide, as it should
- 04/12/2014 06:32:44 PM
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Homicide doesn't equal crime, look up the medical/legal definition of the word. *NM*
- 04/12/2014 07:49:06 PM
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if only it were possible to get to the facts in a court case to prove one way or the other 
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- 04/12/2014 07:53:18 PM
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*NM*
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Even wiki says he died of a heart attack on his way to the hospital
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Wikipedia once told me about President McKinley having magical powers & Terry Goodkind being Batman
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