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Re: US Supreme Court continues subjugating women to second class citizenry Cannoli Send a noteboard - 02/07/2014 05:51:58 PM

a woman's self-determination of her own medical decisions.

I love how you and your ilk consistently cite privacy and self-determination in enforcing codependence. No one is stopping a woman from exercising her own self-determination. They merely wish women to pay for it themselves. The feminists fought for the right to pick up the check on a date, but for others to pay for them to have irresponsible sex and luxury medical operations. The most effective form of contraception is free. If you don't want a child formed out of your gametes, do exactly what a man can do - suck it up and endure it for a couple of decades at penalty of destroying your life, criminal history, credit rating and driving privileges.
yesterday's decision allowing for-profit corporations to have religious beliefs follows the same reasoning that religious expression is more important than science and medicine, including public safety and health.

Somehow I have the feeling that society will survive even a pandemic-level outbreak of menstrual cramps. Of greater interest to the public and society, according to the science of Darwinism, would be the paramount concern of propagating the species, towards which birth control and abortion are counter-indicated.
we also were treated to the fallacy that it's possible for a corporate entity to have religious beliefs.
Corporate entities are made of people, who have beliefs. If the actions of a corporation are to be complete separated from the people who belong to it, than you can't charge individuals with crimes committed in their capacity as executives and employees of a corporation. If corporations have no first amendment rights, than freedom of the press applies only to private citizen posting on the internet and typing or printing off their home computer. It most definitely does not apply to the NY Times, the Huffington Post, or MSNBC.

No one is contesting a woman's right to birth control. They are only contesting the right to demand someone else pay for it.


as an aside, i can't wait for the first corporate conversion to Islam, the way a lot of the black athletes in the 1970s converted to Islam. because the subtext of the decision yesterday is that white, conservative Christians have more rights than anyone else in the US.

Islamics believe in free birth control?
not only that, but this ruling also establishes that it's perfectly legal to skirt the law if you can prove that your company has a strong moral belief which prevents you from following it, as long as that strong moral belief does not involve discrimination based on the various social markers we have determined it's illegal to discriminate against. and all of this was made possible because a group of old white men get icky inside when women's reproductive health is concerned.
No, they get fed up with being forced to pay homage to the myth of the strong independent woman while being forced to make special accommodations for over the last 50 years.

"I am a strong independent woman! I am just as good as a man! I demand to be treated EXACTLY as a man! Now pay me to take off to grow a baby in my uterus, pay for me to have casual sex if I don't feel like growing a baby, pay to double your bathrooms for my exclusive use, provide a place for my children to be cared for when I work, enforce speech codes so my ears are undisturbed by anything I don't like at work, regardless of whether or not the conversation involves me, and have special days to recognize and appreciate my contributions, even though you had to lower standards for me to make them."


a side product of the Sebelius ruling is also that your employer can now dictate the type of health coverage you are going to have, but only if you're a woman.

Actually, all this is doing is putting off the day of a confrontation over all the special privileges and accommodations made for women with no equivalence for men. Ladies get the pill from their employers when men get condoms. If a woman has the right to opt out of parenthood at any time during pregnancy or afterward, so should the man. Equal protection should mean EQUAL protection.
the irony here is that, as a corporation, Hobby Lobby has investments in several pharmaceutical companies which make the very birth control products they supposedly "deeply morally object" to (http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/01/investing/hobby-lobby-401k-contraception/). if this is such a deep moral conviction on the company's part, you'd think they would have divested from these funds a long time ago. apparently, it's only morally objectionable to be asked to invest in insurance plans which cover those drugs, not the makers of those drugs themselves. which begs the question: how does their retirement plan earn more money if they refuse to allow their money to be spent using those drugs they are invested in?

Do you know what "begs the question" means? I suspect not, because you'd see the irony of my query in this context.

The real issue is that no one is forcing them to invest in those companies.


so, all in all, a good couple of decisions if you are white, and Christian, and male in America. for the rest of us, we have to hope that the Court will one day side with the actual Constitution of the US and not just with the special interests who want to deny rights to people based on their non-participation in an arbitrary code of ethics written several thousand years ago. separation of Church and State is part of the founding of our country, but apparently only non-Christian churches are forced to be separate from State.

Separation of Church and State is nowhere in the Constitution. Instead, Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion is an absolute and explicitly stated restriction on the State. The free exercise of the religion of the Hobby Lobby owners requires them to refrain from using their own money to directly facilitate immoral activity.

Cannoli
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