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a few facts you are neglecting moondog Send a noteboard - 11/06/2014 07:08:16 PM

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View original posti'm only insulting those who think that leaving bergdahl to die was the better option. as a former soldier, how would you have felt to be captured, only to be released to the cacophony of people telling you that not only should you have never been released, but that your family should be killed for allowing Obama to negotiate your freedom? maybe Obama should have staged a fake rescue operation like his predecessor so that we would have something worth arguing about....

How would I feel if this absurdly improbable scenario occurred? Honestly I'd be stupefied to find out I'd been traded for multiple high level prisoners and be expecting my peers to be demanding a damn good explanation for how I got myself isolated and taken without a fight and didn't find a way to escape or kill myself. Look, I don't mind giving this guy the benefit of the doubt to explain himself but don't let that fool you, I think he's guilty. There are slim odds he wasn't a deserter and most alternate explanations require monumental cowardice or negligence. So you're suggesting a highly implausible scenario and acting like the rest of us are barking mad for working off the more likely one. You also dodged the whole bit about the president not informing congress as he was legally bound to do. Are we worthy of insult because we're pissed the president undeniably and indisputably broke the law?


  1. Bergdahl went AWOL several times and came backof his own accord. http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140603/NEWS05/306030078/Sources-Bergdahl-may-walked-off-base-more-than-once this makes proving him guilty of desertion incredibly difficult, although he should still be afforded a hearing/trialnow that he's been released to answer the charges. his unit failed to report his leave at the time, but after the fact now they say he's a deserter. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bergdahl-had-left-his-post-at-least-once-before-investigation-found/ it's incredibly easy to accuse someone of a crime, it's another thing entirely to actually prove it. in addition, Bergdahldidescape from the taliban -- twice -- and was recaptured -- also twice. his reward for these attempts was to be beaten and put into a cage, and also to have people like yourself question his loyalty and the terms of his release.

  2. on that note, theletterof the law says Obama is required to give 30 days notice before releasing Guantanamo detainees. however, thespiritof the law is that this was designed to make sure the entire prison wasn't emptied without Congressional notification. there is a lot of grey area between what Congress thinks they are entitled to and what the President is actually entitled to under this particular law. but that is something that can actually be debated. however, most of the vitriol against Bergdahl in this thread focused on the release of the taliban fighters, not the constitutionality of Obama's negotiations. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/06/stop_saying_that_the_exchange_of_prisoners_for_bergdahl_was_illegal_the.html

  3. those five released were due to be released at some point regardless of the prisoner exchange. it's better that they be released to do something useful like return our lone POW rather than release them with everyone else once the war winds down. their terms of release requires them to be held in Qatar for at least a year, so it's not like they're immediately re-joining the war because the war will be long done by the time they are allowed to leave their new detainment.

  4. Bergdahl's family absolutely received death threats because of his release, thus proving just how low some right wing nut jobs will sink to try to get back at Obama: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/08/us-usa-afghanistan-bergdahl-idUSKBN0EJ02720140608

so, to sum up everything: yes, you are all barking mad for trying to make Bergdahl into a scapegoat for everything you hate about Obama. the supposedly implausible scenario you scoff at absolutely has happened as i described it, and you still want to pretend Obama is vulnerable to impeachment because of the US commitment to bring home all soldiers captured in conflict.

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Obama negotiates with terrorists, gains the release of a US deserter and possible traitor. - 03/06/2014 04:44:35 AM 1350 Views
I don't think it is that cut and dry - 03/06/2014 01:00:16 PM 686 Views
It is now cut and dry, he is a deserter..... - 03/06/2014 04:18:21 PM 674 Views
Bull. Shit. - 03/06/2014 04:46:08 PM 779 Views
he has right to a trial - 03/06/2014 06:27:39 PM 645 Views
Well of course he does. I can't act as his judge, jury and executioner, either. - 03/06/2014 06:45:58 PM 786 Views
I think he is guilty as hell - 03/06/2014 11:24:02 PM 720 Views
I don't think he should have rot there, either. - 04/06/2014 04:05:18 AM 625 Views
I agree with with all of that *NM* - 04/06/2014 12:59:45 PM 381 Views
glad to see you put your politics above your country, tom - 04/06/2014 07:32:55 PM 674 Views
You're full of shit, as usual. - 04/06/2014 07:45:43 PM 632 Views
and you are more brainwashed, as usual - 04/06/2014 07:56:29 PM 645 Views
Moondog = braindead partisan hack - 04/06/2014 08:52:28 PM 588 Views
You really are stupid, aren't you? - 05/06/2014 05:26:38 PM 585 Views
thank you for having the reasonable approach to this - 03/06/2014 07:56:49 PM 648 Views
Obama is a weak fool - 03/06/2014 04:04:58 PM 613 Views
They should impeach the fucking douchebag. - 03/06/2014 04:48:28 PM 609 Views
I'm picturing you ranting to a half-empty bar as you wave a glass around, and it's amusing - 05/06/2014 03:52:15 PM 635 Views
Yeah, I don't really picture you at all. - 05/06/2014 05:20:48 PM 594 Views
Haha awww who's a Grouchy Gus today? - 05/06/2014 06:24:25 PM 591 Views
Sounds like you do picture him. *NM* - 07/06/2014 08:38:42 PM 309 Views
Serious question....as Tom mentioned.....should Obama be impeached for this? - 03/06/2014 06:55:24 PM 612 Views
stupid answer: yes, impeach Obama at your earliest convenience *NM* - 03/06/2014 08:48:28 PM 447 Views
Funny that the military top brass agrees with it, then. - 03/06/2014 08:51:48 PM 655 Views
Sec. Gates was against it when he was Sec. of Defense, Panetta said hell no. *NM* - 04/06/2014 04:07:49 AM 331 Views
Yup, most top military leadership was against this reckless move. *NM* - 04/06/2014 04:26:16 AM 341 Views
STATEMENT BY JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF GENERAL MARTIN E. DEMPSEY - 04/06/2014 07:36:43 PM 633 Views
These people will say what Obama orders them to say. *NM* - 05/06/2014 06:17:14 AM 315 Views
Statement by Secretary of the Army John McHugh - 04/06/2014 07:37:35 PM 733 Views
lots of republicans were for Bergdahl's release before they were against it - 04/06/2014 07:42:45 PM 672 Views
you missed the one where they suggest trading high level captives for his return - 04/06/2014 09:37:22 PM 607 Views
Oh wait, that's because it doesn't exist... *NM* - 05/06/2014 06:18:11 AM 341 Views
you do know I was being sarcastic? - 05/06/2014 06:11:39 PM 733 Views
Oh yes. I was just adding to the general tone. - 06/06/2014 03:01:11 PM 608 Views
so you must know all the details since you're secretly a top-level government official? - 05/06/2014 08:41:14 PM 633 Views
was this a reply to the correct comment? *NM* - 06/06/2014 05:45:16 PM 356 Views
no *NM* - 03/06/2014 11:19:09 PM 340 Views
Guerrillas or insurgents, actually. - 04/06/2014 01:47:26 AM 787 Views
Does Bowe Bergdahl = Nicholas Brady? - 04/06/2014 04:30:02 AM 646 Views
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. - 04/06/2014 09:29:15 PM 596 Views
Absolutely not. - 05/06/2014 06:21:59 AM 577 Views
Re: Absolutely not. - 05/06/2014 08:43:55 PM 596 Views
You seem to have missed the concept of "Justified" in there - 07/06/2014 11:36:25 PM 715 Views
no, i'm pretty sure i got it right - 09/06/2014 09:37:49 PM 597 Views
Re: no, i'm pretty sure i got it right - 10/06/2014 03:43:49 AM 618 Views
a few facts you are neglecting - 11/06/2014 07:08:16 PM 550 Views
You may want to not paint everyone with the same brush there. - 11/06/2014 08:03:31 PM 607 Views
Thank you *NM* - 11/06/2014 11:01:58 PM 412 Views
I... don't really care, to be honest - 05/06/2014 03:17:25 PM 645 Views
I'm kinda undecided on this - 06/06/2014 03:32:16 AM 659 Views

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