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You don't know what a "state" is, do you? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 11/06/2014 03:18:45 AM

A state, simply speaking, is a political entity, with certain features, like a government with at least some sovereignty and borders. As opposed to a nation, which can be considered a people with a common identity and usually a common language, that may or may not share religious or other cultural institutions, and may or may not be included in the same politically designated entity.

Germany, Spain, the UK and the rest are all states. You might contend that they are not states in the sense of the United States, but only because you don't get that the USA were established as independant entities first, and that the United States of America is to New York and New Jersey as the EU is to France or Italy. The subsequent erosion of the independent character of the American states, increasing encroachment of Federal power over state prerogatives, and their common language and general cultural homogenity might deceive people into believing that they are more like provinces than sovereign entities but whatever the de facto relationship of the states to one another and the union, they are de jure independant political entities.

And that same issue of increased membership also applies to the reparations question. Nevada joined the USA during the Civil War, which eradicated slavery, and West Virginia broke off from Virginia after the latter seceded, but prior to the outbreak of fighting. Those two states specifically joined the country on the side that was fighting to END slavery. Fourteen other states have joined the USA since the war ended and slavery was abolished, and 23 other states raised from among their citizenry, regiments of soldiers who shed blood on the side that opposed slavery. That, BTW, is one more indication of the discrete political character of that states, in that it was largely the states who raised and equipped volunteer units that provided the bulk of the Union forces in the War Between the States. The question of to what degree Bulgaria or Croatia should be taxed so the EU can repay Africa for the colonization, is not at all disimilar to the question of how much the citizens of Idaho and Wyoming and Hawaii owe for the institution of slavery, which was abolished a generation (almost a century in the case of Hawaii) before they entered the United States.

Cannoli
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/History: The Case for Reparations - 27/05/2014 07:08:52 PM 1124 Views
Only reparations for..... - 27/05/2014 07:34:29 PM 508 Views
you should try actually reading the article first - 27/05/2014 08:33:53 PM 603 Views
my only problem is his conclusion is weak compared with the rest of the article - 27/05/2014 08:31:54 PM 527 Views
Maybe because there is a lack of connection between the history involved and present day problems. - 29/05/2014 01:35:04 AM 483 Views
sure, and i have a bridge for sale..... - 30/05/2014 12:39:03 AM 464 Views
Re: sure, and i have a bridge for sale..... - 30/05/2014 05:06:11 PM 496 Views
faulty assumptions of your heritage aside, the point still stands. - 02/06/2014 08:54:02 PM 442 Views
Faulty assumptions is the entirety of your argument. - 11/06/2014 07:27:29 AM 497 Views
sorry but I see no evidence he wants to have an open an honest discussion - 02/06/2014 02:03:29 PM 499 Views
Should Europe pay restitutions for the damage they did to Africa? - 03/06/2014 01:13:54 PM 493 Views
Sure. - 03/06/2014 06:10:49 PM 460 Views
Absolutely, but only the handful of countries that actually have a colonial past *NM* - 03/06/2014 09:28:58 PM 262 Views
that's not the way it works - 04/06/2014 01:04:46 PM 447 Views
EU expanded to its current borders mostly in 2004. Also we aren't states, so leave EU out of this *NM* - 04/06/2014 09:58:30 PM 290 Views
You don't know what a "state" is, do you? - 11/06/2014 03:18:45 AM 476 Views
Again, there is an assumption of profit that is not necessarily true - 11/06/2014 02:47:53 AM 610 Views
nope the EU needs to step up the line and starting paying - 11/06/2014 06:05:25 PM 552 Views
One could argue we already do. - 04/06/2014 10:55:44 PM 437 Views

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