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Re: no, i'm pretty sure i got it right Isaac Send a noteboard - 10/06/2014 03:43:49 AM

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View original postYou have to justify the cost of everything. Just as no rational person would pay $1000 for a pack of Twizzlers, no rational President would pay 5 taliban generals for one deserter. No one would be arguing if we paid $10,000 cash.




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View original postif paying $1000 for a pack of twizzlers meant a generation or more of peaceful co-existence, and a lifetime of American opportunity and prosperity then it would be a very cheap pack of twizzlers, indeed.


View original postI've never seen on the side of pack of twizzlers a promise of world peace, albeit I've not sought to buy any recently. Were there one I'd still expect a plausible explanation for how it was to be achieved. As best as I can tell the president basically decided to buy a rolex from some random criminal on the streets using company funds without consulting his partners and at 5x the regular price then came home to find out it wasn't just not a rolex but might actually have a particularly nasty type of mold growing in the wristband ready to spread to his other possessions.


View original postAnd you're not only defending this, you're praising it as a brilliant move and insulting those who disagree... there is a line between favorable devotion and outright lunatic fanatical following. You've crossed it. It may well be that when all the facts are presented and the dust clears that this wasn't a bad deal, or maybe even a brilliant one in some thus far unseen way like we have trackers on the guys we traded, but from the known information it looks pretty damned stupid, and you as well for not just defending it but declaring it some sort of master stroke.




View original posti'm only insulting those who think that leaving bergdahl to die was the better option. as a former soldier, how would you have felt to be captured, only to be released to the cacophony of people telling you that not only should you have never been released, but that your family should be killed for allowing Obama to negotiate your freedom? maybe Obama should have staged a fake rescue operation like his predecessor so that we would have something worth arguing about....

How would I feel if this absurdly improbable scenario occurred? Honestly I'd be stupefied to find out I'd been traded for multiple high level prisoners and be expecting my peers to be demanding a damn good explanation for how I got myself isolated and taken without a fight and didn't find a way to escape or kill myself. Look, I don't mind giving this guy the benefit of the doubt to explain himself but don't let that fool you, I think he's guilty. There are slim odds he wasn't a deserter and most alternate explanations require monumental cowardice or negligence. So you're suggesting a highly implausible scenario and acting like the rest of us are barking mad for working off the more likely one. You also dodged the whole bit about the president not informing congress as he was legally bound to do. Are we worthy of insult because we're pissed the president undeniably and indisputably broke the law?

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Obama negotiates with terrorists, gains the release of a US deserter and possible traitor. - 03/06/2014 04:44:35 AM 1422 Views
I don't think it is that cut and dry - 03/06/2014 01:00:16 PM 747 Views
It is now cut and dry, he is a deserter..... - 03/06/2014 04:18:21 PM 744 Views
Bull. Shit. - 03/06/2014 04:46:08 PM 865 Views
he has right to a trial - 03/06/2014 06:27:39 PM 706 Views
Well of course he does. I can't act as his judge, jury and executioner, either. - 03/06/2014 06:45:58 PM 855 Views
I think he is guilty as hell - 03/06/2014 11:24:02 PM 788 Views
I don't think he should have rot there, either. - 04/06/2014 04:05:18 AM 684 Views
I agree with with all of that *NM* - 04/06/2014 12:59:45 PM 408 Views
glad to see you put your politics above your country, tom - 04/06/2014 07:32:55 PM 741 Views
You're full of shit, as usual. - 04/06/2014 07:45:43 PM 668 Views
and you are more brainwashed, as usual - 04/06/2014 07:56:29 PM 709 Views
Moondog = braindead partisan hack - 04/06/2014 08:52:28 PM 661 Views
You really are stupid, aren't you? - 05/06/2014 05:26:38 PM 644 Views
thank you for having the reasonable approach to this - 03/06/2014 07:56:49 PM 720 Views
Obama is a weak fool - 03/06/2014 04:04:58 PM 674 Views
They should impeach the fucking douchebag. - 03/06/2014 04:48:28 PM 678 Views
I'm picturing you ranting to a half-empty bar as you wave a glass around, and it's amusing - 05/06/2014 03:52:15 PM 704 Views
Yeah, I don't really picture you at all. - 05/06/2014 05:20:48 PM 659 Views
Haha awww who's a Grouchy Gus today? - 05/06/2014 06:24:25 PM 659 Views
Sounds like you do picture him. *NM* - 07/06/2014 08:38:42 PM 338 Views
Serious question....as Tom mentioned.....should Obama be impeached for this? - 03/06/2014 06:55:24 PM 643 Views
stupid answer: yes, impeach Obama at your earliest convenience *NM* - 03/06/2014 08:48:28 PM 472 Views
Funny that the military top brass agrees with it, then. - 03/06/2014 08:51:48 PM 726 Views
Sec. Gates was against it when he was Sec. of Defense, Panetta said hell no. *NM* - 04/06/2014 04:07:49 AM 361 Views
Yup, most top military leadership was against this reckless move. *NM* - 04/06/2014 04:26:16 AM 367 Views
STATEMENT BY JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF GENERAL MARTIN E. DEMPSEY - 04/06/2014 07:36:43 PM 696 Views
These people will say what Obama orders them to say. *NM* - 05/06/2014 06:17:14 AM 345 Views
Statement by Secretary of the Army John McHugh - 04/06/2014 07:37:35 PM 804 Views
lots of republicans were for Bergdahl's release before they were against it - 04/06/2014 07:42:45 PM 743 Views
you missed the one where they suggest trading high level captives for his return - 04/06/2014 09:37:22 PM 675 Views
Oh wait, that's because it doesn't exist... *NM* - 05/06/2014 06:18:11 AM 372 Views
you do know I was being sarcastic? - 05/06/2014 06:11:39 PM 797 Views
Oh yes. I was just adding to the general tone. - 06/06/2014 03:01:11 PM 670 Views
so you must know all the details since you're secretly a top-level government official? - 05/06/2014 08:41:14 PM 692 Views
was this a reply to the correct comment? *NM* - 06/06/2014 05:45:16 PM 380 Views
no *NM* - 03/06/2014 11:19:09 PM 369 Views
Guerrillas or insurgents, actually. - 04/06/2014 01:47:26 AM 860 Views
Does Bowe Bergdahl = Nicholas Brady? - 04/06/2014 04:30:02 AM 710 Views
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. - 04/06/2014 09:29:15 PM 666 Views
Absolutely not. - 05/06/2014 06:21:59 AM 644 Views
Re: Absolutely not. - 05/06/2014 08:43:55 PM 666 Views
You seem to have missed the concept of "Justified" in there - 07/06/2014 11:36:25 PM 785 Views
no, i'm pretty sure i got it right - 09/06/2014 09:37:49 PM 668 Views
Re: no, i'm pretty sure i got it right - 10/06/2014 03:43:49 AM 688 Views
a few facts you are neglecting - 11/06/2014 07:08:16 PM 580 Views
You may want to not paint everyone with the same brush there. - 11/06/2014 08:03:31 PM 669 Views
Thank you *NM* - 11/06/2014 11:01:58 PM 437 Views
I... don't really care, to be honest - 05/06/2014 03:17:25 PM 713 Views
I'm kinda undecided on this - 06/06/2014 03:32:16 AM 696 Views

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