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That seems to be stretching the definition of the word. Legolas Send a noteboard - 03/06/2014 06:38:35 PM

I admit I haven't done too much digging yet, but if you read this, a US military assessment of him on Wikileaks, it does mention the contacts with al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups, but it doesn't mention any involvement whatsoever in violent actions. Is it enough to be jailed under normal circumstances - yes, of course, it's undeniably aiding and abetting terrorists, though I think it's a stretch to say it makes him personally a terrorist any more than, say, an Irish-American funding the IRA during the Troubles is a terrorist. Would it get him more than the twelve years in jail that he's already served - that, I'm not so sure of.

What's sure is that many people with much worse records have been released in the past as conflicts came to a resolution - and that people with much worse records have even been welcomed and fĂȘted by the US or other Western governments, I doubt I need to provide examples. So yes, I can grant that Obama negotiated badly, but not that this guy was so horrible that he should never have been released, as a lot of people seem to be saying.

View original postDo you think these five Taliban scum are going to just sit quietly in Qatar? I doubt it. Even from Qatar, they can direct acts against the US and coalition allies in Afghanistan. Their mere release is a morale boost. They could easily slip out of Qatar and end up in Pakistan somewhere alongside Mullah Omar. And of course five top-ranking Taliban are not worth one deserter. It incenses me in a way that nothing this President has done has. It undermines the entire point of the war America undertook in 2001 in Afghanistan and has been waging since then, at a cost of more than 1,000 US dead. Unlike the US departure from Afghanistan, which can sort of be justified as an imperfect solution to the problem of an endless war, what Obama did is a direct humiliation to the memory of the dead and a candid admission of defeat.

Afghanistan is negotiating with the Taliban. Pakistan is negotiating with the Taliban or related groups. We really didn't need this deal to tell us that the war's goal of destroying the influence of the Taliban had failed.

And do I think they're going to sit quietly in Qatar - not quietly exactly, no, but I do think Qatar doesn't want its reputation blemished by letting them slip away. Of course this is a morale-booster for the Taliban, which is why it should have been done in exchange for more serious concessions.

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Obama negotiates with terrorists, gains the release of a US deserter and possible traitor. - 03/06/2014 04:44:35 AM 1423 Views
I don't think it is that cut and dry - 03/06/2014 01:00:16 PM 748 Views
It is now cut and dry, he is a deserter..... - 03/06/2014 04:18:21 PM 744 Views
Bull. Shit. - 03/06/2014 04:46:08 PM 866 Views
he has right to a trial - 03/06/2014 06:27:39 PM 707 Views
Well of course he does. I can't act as his judge, jury and executioner, either. - 03/06/2014 06:45:58 PM 856 Views
I think he is guilty as hell - 03/06/2014 11:24:02 PM 789 Views
I don't think he should have rot there, either. - 04/06/2014 04:05:18 AM 685 Views
I agree with with all of that *NM* - 04/06/2014 12:59:45 PM 408 Views
glad to see you put your politics above your country, tom - 04/06/2014 07:32:55 PM 742 Views
You're full of shit, as usual. - 04/06/2014 07:45:43 PM 669 Views
and you are more brainwashed, as usual - 04/06/2014 07:56:29 PM 710 Views
Moondog = braindead partisan hack - 04/06/2014 08:52:28 PM 662 Views
You really are stupid, aren't you? - 05/06/2014 05:26:38 PM 645 Views
thank you for having the reasonable approach to this - 03/06/2014 07:56:49 PM 721 Views
Obama is a weak fool - 03/06/2014 04:04:58 PM 674 Views
They should impeach the fucking douchebag. - 03/06/2014 04:48:28 PM 679 Views
I'm picturing you ranting to a half-empty bar as you wave a glass around, and it's amusing - 05/06/2014 03:52:15 PM 705 Views
Yeah, I don't really picture you at all. - 05/06/2014 05:20:48 PM 659 Views
Haha awww who's a Grouchy Gus today? - 05/06/2014 06:24:25 PM 659 Views
Sounds like you do picture him. *NM* - 07/06/2014 08:38:42 PM 339 Views
"Terrorists" doesn't seem accurate. Enemy combatants, okay, but even that was limited. - 03/06/2014 05:56:15 PM 744 Views
Wasiq was involved with relations with al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups. He is a terrorist. - 03/06/2014 06:09:22 PM 666 Views
That seems to be stretching the definition of the word. - 03/06/2014 06:38:35 PM 810 Views
Serious question....as Tom mentioned.....should Obama be impeached for this? - 03/06/2014 06:55:24 PM 644 Views
stupid answer: yes, impeach Obama at your earliest convenience *NM* - 03/06/2014 08:48:28 PM 473 Views
Funny that the military top brass agrees with it, then. - 03/06/2014 08:51:48 PM 726 Views
Sec. Gates was against it when he was Sec. of Defense, Panetta said hell no. *NM* - 04/06/2014 04:07:49 AM 361 Views
Yup, most top military leadership was against this reckless move. *NM* - 04/06/2014 04:26:16 AM 368 Views
STATEMENT BY JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF GENERAL MARTIN E. DEMPSEY - 04/06/2014 07:36:43 PM 697 Views
These people will say what Obama orders them to say. *NM* - 05/06/2014 06:17:14 AM 346 Views
Statement by Secretary of the Army John McHugh - 04/06/2014 07:37:35 PM 805 Views
lots of republicans were for Bergdahl's release before they were against it - 04/06/2014 07:42:45 PM 743 Views
you missed the one where they suggest trading high level captives for his return - 04/06/2014 09:37:22 PM 675 Views
Oh wait, that's because it doesn't exist... *NM* - 05/06/2014 06:18:11 AM 373 Views
you do know I was being sarcastic? - 05/06/2014 06:11:39 PM 797 Views
Oh yes. I was just adding to the general tone. - 06/06/2014 03:01:11 PM 671 Views
so you must know all the details since you're secretly a top-level government official? - 05/06/2014 08:41:14 PM 692 Views
was this a reply to the correct comment? *NM* - 06/06/2014 05:45:16 PM 380 Views
no *NM* - 03/06/2014 11:19:09 PM 370 Views
Guerrillas or insurgents, actually. - 04/06/2014 01:47:26 AM 860 Views
Does Bowe Bergdahl = Nicholas Brady? - 04/06/2014 04:30:02 AM 711 Views
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. - 04/06/2014 09:29:15 PM 667 Views
Absolutely not. - 05/06/2014 06:21:59 AM 644 Views
Re: Absolutely not. - 05/06/2014 08:43:55 PM 667 Views
You seem to have missed the concept of "Justified" in there - 07/06/2014 11:36:25 PM 785 Views
no, i'm pretty sure i got it right - 09/06/2014 09:37:49 PM 669 Views
Re: no, i'm pretty sure i got it right - 10/06/2014 03:43:49 AM 688 Views
a few facts you are neglecting - 11/06/2014 07:08:16 PM 581 Views
You may want to not paint everyone with the same brush there. - 11/06/2014 08:03:31 PM 670 Views
Thank you *NM* - 11/06/2014 11:01:58 PM 438 Views
I... don't really care, to be honest - 05/06/2014 03:17:25 PM 714 Views
I'm kinda undecided on this - 06/06/2014 03:32:16 AM 696 Views

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