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so it's only open and honest discussion if he shares your white world view? moondog Send a noteboard - 02/06/2014 09:07:26 PM

View original post I come from white family that was dirt poor and I can actually match most of the stories he told because the poor and powerless were exploited regardless of their skin color. Poverty is a killer and the damage takes generations to heal. I know I can see its effects throughout my extended family. I am sorry but I can’t start an open and honest discussion with the premise that poverty in my own family is somehow different and less worthy of being addressed.

your family's experience was different for being white and given favorable loan conditions compared to a black family of equal poverty. you were able to succeed because society values your being as a white person more than it values your black counterparts. this is how US society is structured, how it has historically operated, and how it continues to operate today. look at the recent vote for school lunches which the US House restricted to only rural families. look at the demographics of rural versus urban families and tell me with a straight face that rural kids are more deserving of school lunch programs than all kids no matter their background or geographic location. the US government is not able to stop discriminating against non-whites, even in 2014. for you to not see this means that it will be a long while yet before America lives up to the ideals that we are all equal under the law.

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/History: The Case for Reparations Legolas - 27/05/2014 07:08:52 PM 1124 Views
Only reparations for..... Anonymous2000 - 27/05/2014 07:34:29 PM 507 Views
you should try actually reading the article first moondog - 27/05/2014 08:33:53 PM 602 Views
my only problem is his conclusion is weak compared with the rest of the article moondog - 27/05/2014 08:31:54 PM 526 Views
Maybe because there is a lack of connection between the history involved and present day problems. Cannoli - 29/05/2014 01:35:04 AM 483 Views
sure, and i have a bridge for sale..... moondog - 30/05/2014 12:39:03 AM 464 Views
Re: sure, and i have a bridge for sale..... Cannoli - 30/05/2014 05:06:11 PM 495 Views
faulty assumptions of your heritage aside, the point still stands. moondog - 02/06/2014 08:54:02 PM 442 Views
Faulty assumptions is the entirety of your argument. Cannoli - 11/06/2014 07:27:29 AM 496 Views
Re: /History: The Case for Reparations Cannoli - 29/05/2014 01:54:48 AM 590 Views
Do you have a source where source where LBJ actually said that? *NM* random thoughts - 29/05/2014 01:17:44 PM 320 Views
IIRC, Robert Kessle "Inside the White House" or something like that. Cannoli - 30/05/2014 05:09:07 PM 516 Views
So some guy says some guys heard him say it? That isn't much. random thoughts - 30/05/2014 05:27:13 PM 449 Views
And LBJ or his estate would have allowed such a comment to get out? Cannoli - 30/05/2014 06:24:55 PM 491 Views
I agree that reparations would be extremely difficult if not impossible to implement fairly. Legolas - 29/05/2014 06:52:47 PM 530 Views
Re: I agree that reparations would be extremely difficult if not impossible to implement fairly. Cannoli - 30/05/2014 06:19:33 PM 629 Views
Re: I agree that reparations would be extremely difficult if not impossible to implement fairly. Legolas - 01/06/2014 05:36:20 PM 521 Views
Re: I agree that reparations would be extremely difficult if not impossible to implement fairly. Cannoli - 04/06/2014 02:49:13 AM 505 Views
Even without David Chappelle's compelling arguments against, I think it's a crazy idea. Tom - 29/05/2014 07:42:38 PM 575 Views
I was frowning at that part of the article, as well. Legolas - 29/05/2014 09:42:53 PM 531 Views
Not that I disagree with a single point you made, but wasn't the 40 acres & a mule thing a myth Cannoli - 01/06/2014 03:48:16 PM 532 Views
According to wikipedia, it was more than a myth, though not much more Tom - 02/06/2014 04:24:32 AM 680 Views
except the article is strictly NOT talking about cutting checks to black people moondog - 02/06/2014 08:59:47 PM 480 Views
sorry but I see no evidence he wants to have an open an honest discussion random thoughts - 02/06/2014 02:03:29 PM 499 Views
so it's only open and honest discussion if he shares your white world view? moondog - 02/06/2014 09:07:26 PM 537 Views
no it is only an honest open discussion if he recognizes that there are valid alterantive views random thoughts - 03/06/2014 05:17:18 AM 490 Views
here is where you lose credibility moondog - 03/06/2014 08:59:30 PM 683 Views
How does the inability to shop at Neiman Marcus hold you back economically? Cannoli - 11/06/2014 07:40:46 AM 517 Views
Should Europe pay restitutions for the damage they did to Africa? random thoughts - 03/06/2014 01:13:54 PM 492 Views
Sure. Legolas - 03/06/2014 06:10:49 PM 460 Views
Absolutely, but only the handful of countries that actually have a colonial past *NM* kHz1000 - 03/06/2014 09:28:58 PM 261 Views
that's not the way it works random thoughts - 04/06/2014 01:04:46 PM 446 Views
EU expanded to its current borders mostly in 2004. Also we aren't states, so leave EU out of this *NM* kHz1000 - 04/06/2014 09:58:30 PM 290 Views
You don't know what a "state" is, do you? Cannoli - 11/06/2014 03:18:45 AM 475 Views
Again, there is an assumption of profit that is not necessarily true Cannoli - 11/06/2014 02:47:53 AM 609 Views
nope the EU needs to step up the line and starting paying random thoughts - 11/06/2014 06:05:25 PM 551 Views
One could argue we already do. Stephen - 04/06/2014 10:55:44 PM 436 Views
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