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Re: Yeah, seems sensible. kHz1000 Send a noteboard - 06/05/2014 07:04:01 PM

View original postI'm inclined to agree with Alito's point that it really comes down to nitpicking about the way in which the town's employees went about selecting the invited religious leaders - it's one thing to criticize them for that and try to improve the practice, quite another to sue and drag it all the way to the Supreme Court. And they did show good faith by allowing two Jewish prayers, a Baha'i one and, last but not least, a Wicca one (albeit only after the Wicca priestess' particular request to be allowed to do so).


View original postOf course, I say that as a citizen of a country in which priests are paid a wage by the government (as are rabbis, imams and a few other groups). Standards of what is acceptable and what is not in terms of separation of church and state vary widely between countries, depending more on historical factors than anything else - some elements in Belgium or Britain may seem like utterly unacceptable violations of the First Amendment by American standards, despite the US being far more religious than either one, while the reverse also holds. The important thing is that religious minorities are not legally discriminated against and are free to practice their faith.

I can certainly agree with all of that. The Chancellor of Justice in Finland recently argued that nobody should be forced to reveal their religion or lack of it. Basically it just means that schools shouldn't have any religious elements (so no religious assemblies, no voluntary visits to churhces during, say, easter, no religious hyms, etc.).
And obviosuly no prayers at council meetings because if you don't want to participate, you're made to reveal your lack of religion. Not that anyone would even suggest starting a meeting with a prayer.

(Honestly, I'm a bit revolted by the idea of starting an official meeting with a prayer. Even the idea sounds ..perverse. But that just shows how foreign the idea is to me)

And yet we have state churh and church tax and I'm totally OK with both of those It's an interesting cultural twist. Not that uncommon, either. There are little things (nobody would ever have a wall to wall carpet in Finland though they're perfectly normal in some places) to big things (Keynesian economics have always been feared and hated in Finland though Sweden embraced them like no other). It makes perfect sense to everyone here and then you go somewhere else and no one can see it!

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