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Bullshit, you are lying right now, for you are changing what they state Roland00 Send a noteboard - 03/04/2014 06:13:14 AM

Bullshit you are lying right now for you are changing what they state.

Whether you approve or disapprove of obamacare is a different question than whether you support a repeal of obamacare or not.

Currently Realclearpoltics has "Public Approval of Health Care Law" at 11.9% average See below
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

While a separate question "Repeal of Health Care Law: Favor/Oppose" is at 9.5% average See below
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/repeal_of_health_care_law_favoroppose-1947.html
Note this second question is an average of four polls, the last poll was taken 12/16/2013, a different polling group 11/10/2013, a third poll is 7/8/2013 and a fourth 7/1/2013. In other words this info is 4 to 9 months old!!!









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But lets assume you actually read the realclearpoltics average and understood their "summary"

Lets look at the data they use before they get their average and then created a "summary".

There is something called garbage in, garbage out. While it is a good idea to look at many polls to get a better idea of margin and error and how questions can be leading, you can't blindly average different questions.

Here is the question from the abc/washingtion post poll 3/31.
Q: Overall, do you support or oppose the federal law making changes to the health care system?
The Answers could be SUPPORT or OPPOSE
SUPPORT 49%
OPPOSE 48%

Abc/washingtion post then follow ups with a separate question on how strong of support.

that is a different question from Associated Press/GfK 3/24 question

Q: In general, do you support, oppose or neither support nor oppose the health care reforms that were passed by Congress in March of 2010?
The Answers could be SUPPORT, OPPOSE, NEITHER SUPPORT NOR OPPOSE
TOTAL SUPPORT 26%
NEITHER SUPPORT NOR OPPOSE 30%
TOTAL OPPOSE 43%


The AP then followups with a separate question on how strong of support.

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By having a third possible answer you vastly change how a person can ask a difficult subject. Some people will choose neither support nor oppose for they do not have strong opinions of the subject, or they have mixed opinions on the subject, or they are liberals that wanted something very liberal like single payer/medicare for all, possibly people like Tom who wanted some healthcare reform but not neccessary this type of health care reform.

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Realclear poltics also conflates in the same average a different question, instead of using the words support/oppose they use the words approve/disaprove. Once again a lefty liberal may support a law but that doesn't mean he approves of it.

Q)"From what you've heard or read, do you approve or disapprove of the health care law that was enacted in 2010?" If approve: "Do you strongly approve or somewhat approve?" If Disapprove: "Do you somewhat disapprove or strongly disapprove?"

STRONGLY APPROVE 20%
SOMEWHAT APPROVE 21%
SOMEWHAT DISAPROVE 14%
STRONGLY DIAPROVE 39%
UNSURE / NO ANSWER 7%

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Instead of giving clarity in this case Realclearpoltiics average yields garbage in / garbage out. There is a difference between asking whether you would vote for candiate A vs B which is a binary question, vs asking someones personal opinion on a complicated subject, and each time you ask the question you ask it differently so it is a different question.

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Regardless I am not a big fan of polls, they don't often illuminate, and furthermore what they are polling doesn't matter. This is not a direct democracy, it is a republic. What matters is whether congress pass the law and whether they will eventually repeal it or not. What matters is will people vote on this issue in the midterms/president or will they vote another issue.

Tracking support of something overtime where it flucates less than 5% is uselsss information, it is not politically helpful. It is noise! That is why I responded to Tom "Not that it matters much" for in the end it doesn't matter much.

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