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its going to be hard to find support from the West MrFarstrider Send a noteboard - 01/03/2014 06:37:15 PM

I think (and hope) people are starting to realize that proxy wars are becoming increasingly commonplace in a world of nuclear mutually assured destruction. World actors can no longer fight each other head to head and thus fight via proxies for some relatively insignificant purpose. In a post-Cold War, post-Iraq mess, people are less willing to throw dead bodies at a shadow war fighting for a who's dick is bigger chunk of world favoritism. A desire for a return to isolationism will increase until there is a war fighting purpose that legitimately resounds with the general population. That's not to say wars won't continue as the defense contractors gotta get paid so that they can re-elect politicians.... But the populace's support for them won't be significant.

We saw a lot of ire with operations in Syria, Libya, tough talk with Iran, and now Ukraine. The Russians will be able to get away with what they want because the West's population doesn't want to get involved in something insignificant just to put the Russians in their place. So, as a representative of public support, President Obama is completely limited on what he can do to Russia. You may be of the opinion that he should talk tough, kill millions of Americans in war to prove a point, nuke everybody to save the Ukraine from Red Russia but most people will be as quick to tell you to sit down and shut up as they were with taking military action in Syria.

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Don't Make me Laugh, Mr. Obama - 01/03/2014 03:14:50 AM 1443 Views
i like obama and even i think that was dumb of him. *NM* - 01/03/2014 05:24:39 AM 517 Views
yep yep. why do you hate on Kerry, though ? *NM* - 01/03/2014 08:11:52 AM 422 Views
He's a useless asshat. *NM* - 01/03/2014 04:14:54 PM 433 Views
He's not the only lame duck in this, though. - 01/03/2014 05:41:01 PM 975 Views
It's a little more complicated than that, I think. - 01/03/2014 07:42:20 PM 831 Views
It's always more complicated... - 01/03/2014 08:57:54 PM 823 Views
Yes yes yes. This. - 01/03/2014 09:11:19 PM 767 Views
Well, we split on that then - I most certainly do not support such an annexation. - 01/03/2014 10:25:48 PM 774 Views
Any reason you keep misspelling Sevastopol? - 02/03/2014 12:52:01 AM 961 Views
You write "the Ukraine", while calling me old-fashioned? - 02/03/2014 01:57:58 AM 834 Views
Yes. Dropping "the" is an anti-Russian move. It will always be the Ukraine. - 02/03/2014 02:58:32 AM 840 Views
Just because there's an article in Russian doesn't mean there has to be one in English. - 02/03/2014 11:21:25 AM 779 Views
I say the Sudan and the Congo. - 02/03/2014 02:17:33 PM 834 Views
You do? Why? - 02/03/2014 03:21:56 PM 913 Views
its going to be hard to find support from the West - 01/03/2014 06:37:15 PM 779 Views
Obama is weak and is viewed as a joke by most of the world. - 03/03/2014 04:12:25 PM 713 Views
Don't worry, not as much as the ape before him *NM* - 04/03/2014 03:23:14 PM 451 Views
So what's your plan of action? - 03/03/2014 11:25:59 PM 793 Views
My plan of action is to let Putin have Ukraine. We have no interests there. *NM* - 04/03/2014 01:29:45 AM 462 Views
Ehem. Why are you being anti-Russian? ;-) - 04/03/2014 01:25:37 PM 814 Views
Of course we do - 04/03/2014 04:57:09 PM 809 Views
Wrong. - 04/03/2014 06:04:31 PM 724 Views
that ignores the point - 06/03/2014 02:01:09 PM 964 Views
No, it doesn't. - 06/03/2014 02:57:16 PM 747 Views
Re: No, it doesn't. - 06/03/2014 06:22:32 PM 804 Views
Yes, the US violated the agreement. - 06/03/2014 07:27:23 PM 866 Views
I have answered your question but you have still refused to answer my point - 07/03/2014 01:48:53 PM 789 Views
You assume that the Ukraine's borders should be inviolate. - 09/03/2014 05:56:45 PM 811 Views
Russia signed an agreement to not violate those borders - 10/03/2014 12:18:37 PM 766 Views
Oh, and now the West is talking about $15 billion in loans for Ukraine. - 05/03/2014 11:41:12 PM 757 Views
And you see that as the same thing as sending in troops? - 06/03/2014 01:37:28 PM 754 Views
I think you've listened to too much propaganda from the 1990s. - 06/03/2014 03:06:18 PM 720 Views
More like the 80s - 07/03/2014 01:50:43 PM 771 Views
So I guess traveling to Russia extensively is of no value. - 09/03/2014 05:58:00 PM 720 Views
in this case no it doesn't. - 10/03/2014 12:20:13 PM 732 Views
The junk they used in Chechnya was laughable... - 16/03/2014 01:51:28 AM 908 Views
Its a great time to throw some missiles in Poland - 04/03/2014 03:43:24 AM 815 Views
Call me crazy, but I like this idea! - 04/03/2014 12:31:07 PM 865 Views
There are no longer two super powers *NM* - 04/03/2014 04:40:16 PM 424 Views
Under Obama, it would seem there are none. *NM* - 04/03/2014 06:15:27 PM 406 Views
at Poland *NM* - 04/03/2014 08:09:14 PM 412 Views
In case you're not familiar with BMD - 04/03/2014 11:13:06 PM 819 Views
I know what you're talking about, I was just kidding around *NM* - 04/03/2014 11:41:20 PM 437 Views
*NM* - 05/03/2014 12:38:54 AM 434 Views
*NM* - 05/03/2014 01:00:57 AM 400 Views
Ron Paul, interestingly enough, agrees with me. - 04/03/2014 02:38:44 PM 755 Views

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