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It's because I have libertarian(ish) leanings that The Shrike Send a noteboard - 09/12/2013 04:36:13 PM

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I don't read The Guardian. More of an Economist person myself. But in this particular case, I think revealing the scope of the surveillance state created by two authoritarian (with Obama being far more authoritarian than Bush) presidents has been good for both the country and the world.

I'm still quite divided by Snowden.

He said out loud what many have suspected for some time. But something about it still bothers me.

~Jeordam


I'm just happy knowing what is going on. And why I consider Snowden a patriot. I do hope his actions lead to more transparancy and greater strength of our Republic. Even if I can't do anything about the spying. I'm fine with spying - within the rules of the law.

I mean, even in today's NYT, there was an article about the infiltration of the online gaming community by the NSA. Just eye-opening to see how far the surveillance has gone.

World of Warcraft? More like World of Spycraft.
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Guardian person of the year kHz1000 - 09/12/2013 02:52:49 PM 1195 Views
Good choice. Snowden is a true patriot. The Shrike - 09/12/2013 03:13:15 PM 796 Views
You know.... Jeordam - 09/12/2013 04:11:09 PM 771 Views
It's because I have libertarian(ish) leanings that The Shrike - 09/12/2013 04:36:13 PM 864 Views
Agreed Isaac - 09/12/2013 05:38:36 PM 793 Views
Why go to prison when you know you've done the right thing? The Shrike - 09/12/2013 06:25:46 PM 735 Views
To prove it was the right thing? Isaac - 09/12/2013 07:12:34 PM 738 Views
Better to be free in Russia than rot in some American prison kHz1000 - 09/12/2013 09:10:20 PM 723 Views
Better for who? Isaac - 09/12/2013 09:51:09 PM 785 Views
Perhaps more in the eyes of the Americans? kHz1000 - 09/12/2013 11:10:10 PM 774 Views
In this context American opinion is the important one, since it is US policy under discussion Isaac - 09/12/2013 11:41:07 PM 786 Views
It would have been the right thing, and best for the anti-NSA movement A Deathwatch Guard - 10/12/2013 02:07:49 AM 805 Views
He did kind of lose his credibility by running to Moscow. Legolas - 09/12/2013 06:58:48 PM 725 Views
Running off to a police state to complain about a growing police state does harm credibility Isaac - 09/12/2013 07:30:59 PM 753 Views
Screw that. He's not obligated to martyr himself. beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 06:23:43 PM 727 Views
I think he would make a fine martyr *NM* random thoughts - 11/12/2013 07:15:51 PM 372 Views
We're discussing this in terms of "Person of the Year" *NM* Isaac - 11/12/2013 08:20:22 PM 369 Views
Of course he isn't. It's his own credibility and he can do what he likes with it. *NM* Legolas - 11/12/2013 10:00:59 PM 345 Views
Snowden deserves a bullet in the head for his betrayal of the US. Tom - 10/12/2013 03:42:37 PM 795 Views
In another news: Is Edward Snowden The Hottest Whistleblower? kHz1000 - 09/12/2013 09:15:34 PM 866 Views
But if he was sincerely hot, he would have come back to be on America's Next Top Model. *NM* Burr - 10/12/2013 02:33:02 AM 612 Views
Well... Wibble - 10/12/2013 01:07:46 AM 847 Views
Snowden is most despicable? A Deathwatch Guard - 10/12/2013 02:11:35 AM 798 Views
Re: Well... kHz1000 - 11/12/2013 12:54:52 AM 818 Views
It's the Guardian, so this isn't very surprising or conclusive A Deathwatch Guard - 10/12/2013 02:15:56 AM 778 Views
I couldn't agree more kHz1000 - 11/12/2013 12:47:25 AM 713 Views
I'm hardly knowledgeable on the topic A Deathwatch Guard - 12/12/2013 09:49:10 AM 806 Views
While i have mixed feelings about Snowden Stephen - 12/12/2013 04:56:37 PM 760 Views
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