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Mm, somewhat. nossy Send a noteboard - 29/07/2013 10:38:22 PM

View original postI don't keep a garden, cook from scratch, can excess produce, etc to save money.

I can agree with this partially. I do like thinking of what I save, but that's because I'm more likely to go to a pub and spend £20 on dinner/drinks than go to McDonald's and grab a value meal. I save a lot, and I have fun doing it. So it's mixed for me.

I do remind myself that it does save money but I'm well aware there are other activities I could be doing that would net me considerably more money for the same times as whatever I save. It's just self-justification and rationalization, same as my mother quilting or knitting for 'blankets for babies' and so on, its an excuse for a hobby, but spending 20 hours to make a blanket that a machine could spew out for $10 isn't an effective use of time and neither is me breaking out the manual pasta-maker. Its a hobby, like mechanics is a hobby that can be genuinely useful and beneficial, like hunting or fishing, but are motives are typically much the same as someone playing X-box.

I also partially agree, but I think it's an important choice first, and a hobby second. I made the choice to completely change my diet and lifestyle (and have lost 8+ pounds so far this time 'round), because I think I need to do that for my health. I would do that for my children as well, if I had them. That I enjoy it was sort of secondary, but I have fully embraced that, I admit (I had to learn to love it, or I would have quit). I like spending money on interesting foodie things, because people have to eat - food feels like a freebie on the budget, if that makes sense? I know I'm very lucky to be in a position to feel that way.

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View original postBut what are we really saying here? That non-McDonald food is prohibitively less convenient and more expensive? Because honestly, if one has ANY seed money at all, buying rice, pasta or fillers, the occasional sauce, etc can get a person pretty far. If one has stocked up on a few things, one could probably feed multiple people for $1/person, even if one is occasionally splurging on some organic veggies or free-range chicken.

View original postI think the concept is that a lot of times even if you earn minimum wage you could eat fast food and go work some more and come up ahead on cash. Particularly since a lot of fast food joint sell the burgers at or even below cost and make their money on fries and soda. It's a crap example though. It still takes time to go to a burger joint and wait in line or drive thru, typically more than assembling a PBJ or cold cut sandwich and tossing it the lunch pail. Unless one is either very half assed or very elaborate at such things, or the food joint travel time and wait is virtually nil, I have difficulty imagining pulling two slices of bread out, slapping on the ingredients, and sticking it in the travel rig up, even including time shopping and doing the dishes, would equal out. On the other hand, I am pretty sure the actual cost of having a kitchen in one's house, keeping it heated, keeping the fridge cold, etc all cost more in total for a single person then eating fast food with an eye for Calories per $$$ does.

Yeah. And that last bit is true, but we would have fridges anyway. There are plenty of other things to put in there, whether it's crap or not (juice, ice cream, beer...)

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View original postI guess I'm saying that I understand that some people have difficulties with time/money, but I also find it hard to believe this is as hard as the article makes it seem - I was raised in a single-economy household, and I have three siblings. My mother somehow fed all of us home-cooked meals, even if the veg wasn't the best of the best. I can't see how that's not better than McDonald's, and I'm pretty sure most of us exist in the middle ground between non-stop McD's and fully organic.

View original postAgreed. I don't shoot my own cows or grow and grind my own flour and I could do the latter I'm sure, it holds no interest for me and I really doubt I could do it economically.

We do add something new each year though. I'm not sure where our stopping point will be.

Right now, we're starting up a more official mini home-brew-boilerthingie. And thinking about getting chickens. And I want an ice cream maker. SEE?!

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The greatest food in human history? random thoughts - 28/07/2013 05:13:31 PM 1417 Views

That would've been a rather more useful article... Legolas - 28/07/2013 06:31:01 PM 785 Views

If you are going hungry calories do matter random thoughts - 28/07/2013 09:19:45 PM 717 Views

Maybe it's a bit of repression and projection onto the people who eat there? everynametaken - 29/07/2013 01:36:10 AM 845 Views

He sounds like a nut. *NM* Stephen - 28/07/2013 08:29:29 PM 542 Views

unlike the people who think we should all eat food grown within 100 miles of where we live? random thoughts - 28/07/2013 09:22:07 PM 818 Views

Supply issues of transportation are not entirely unjustified, though often exaggerated Isaac - 28/07/2013 10:38:04 PM 942 Views

population distrubution makes that solution unworkable random thoughts - 28/07/2013 11:34:16 PM 820 Views

Since when? Isaac - 29/07/2013 05:11:52 AM 862 Views

I am all in favor os sensible thigs and try to practice them myself random thoughts - 29/07/2013 01:03:45 PM 836 Views

Re: I am all in favor os sensible thigs and try to practice them myself Isaac - 29/07/2013 08:04:26 PM 927 Views

They are nuts too. Stephen - 29/07/2013 03:30:46 PM 830 Views

My experiences with the whole organic, etc. people. everynametaken - 29/07/2013 01:46:11 AM 824 Views

I thought he was being satirical. At least until I kept reading. Fox and Ravens - 29/07/2013 03:15:12 AM 787 Views

Depends on whether you live in a food desert or not. *NM* Ghavrel - 29/07/2013 01:10:56 PM 421 Views

fast food doesn't make you fat. To much food makes you fat random thoughts - 29/07/2013 01:11:28 PM 879 Views

Too much food definitely makes you fat but in comparing apples to apples... Fox and Ravens - 29/07/2013 01:46:08 PM 878 Views

calories are calories random thoughts - 29/07/2013 03:36:59 PM 897 Views

I don't agree with your subject nossy - 29/07/2013 07:05:50 PM 987 Views

Yeah, I thought the same. Body totally contradicts subject.

*NM* Aemon - 30/07/2013 02:50:59 AM 1070 Views

I was refering to weight gain not general health *NM* random thoughts - 30/07/2013 05:38:15 PM 402 Views

And I still don't agree with you.

nossy - 30/07/2013 06:48:14 PM 773 Views

but you should be used to that by now

*NM* random thoughts - 30/07/2013 08:51:12 PM 500 Views

And I don't really see Sareitha Sedai - 29/07/2013 02:55:41 PM 748 Views

Re: And I don't really see Fox and Ravens - 29/07/2013 05:29:55 PM 748 Views

Well let's keep in mind here you don't *need* vegetables at all, no more than dairy or meat Isaac - 30/07/2013 04:45:28 AM 861 Views

Not to discount the points he makes, but what I find interesting ... Nate - 29/07/2013 03:51:59 AM 814 Views

I don't know if thinks it is OK or just acept the reality of it random thoughts - 29/07/2013 01:05:52 PM 800 Views

I'm sure you could live off them for quite a while. Fox and Ravens - 29/07/2013 01:38:09 PM 862 Views

Super Size me was BS random thoughts - 29/07/2013 06:23:26 PM 709 Views

RT's correct, Super Size Me was at best badly documented and exaggerated *NM* Isaac - 29/07/2013 08:10:58 PM 525 Views

I eat mostly organic, homemade, etc nossy - 29/07/2013 07:23:02 PM 814 Views

I think most of us track costs just as a self-justification though Isaac - 29/07/2013 08:43:09 PM 886 Views

Mm, somewhat. nossy - 29/07/2013 10:38:22 PM 867 Views

Re: Mm, somewhat. Isaac - 29/07/2013 11:34:00 PM 823 Views

I have brown eggs and free rnage chicken in mmy fridge so I am not judging random thoughts - 30/07/2013 01:12:51 PM 962 Views

nossy - 30/07/2013 06:51:11 PM 850 Views

What, you have brown eggs?! jh - 30/07/2013 06:56:28 PM 821 Views

I know! nossy - 30/07/2013 07:13:31 PM 815 Views

well I don't do the shopping just the eating random thoughts - 30/07/2013 08:49:51 PM 726 Views

Well, eating is my favourite part of a meal too... jh - 30/07/2013 10:39:22 PM 685 Views

FYI: Egg shell color is determined by the breed of the hen, not by diet or living conditions. Avendesora - 01/08/2013 05:04:32 PM 826 Views

So I have learned random thoughts - 01/08/2013 05:53:18 PM 968 Views

Re: bird diet Macharius - 02/08/2013 02:51:23 PM 854 Views

Yes! I have two hens. "Raptor" and "Val-ociraptor" She is "Val" for short.

Avendesora - 02/08/2013 03:44:12 PM 868 Views

WTF? Kale is good.

*NM* Avendesora - 01/08/2013 06:31:28 PM 456 Views

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<quote id="278438">I don't keep a garden, cook from scratch, can excess produce, etc to save money.</quote>
I can agree with this partially. I do like thinking of what I save, but that's because I'm more likely to go to a pub and spend £20 on dinner/drinks than go to McDonald's and grab a value meal. I save a lot, and I have fun doing it. So it's mixed for me.

<quote>I do remind myself that it does save money but I'm well aware there are other activities I could be doing that would net me considerably more money for the same times as whatever I save. It's just self-justification and rationalization, same as my mother quilting or knitting for 'blankets for babies' and so on, its an excuse for a hobby, but spending 20 hours to make a blanket that a machine could spew out for $10 isn't an effective use of time and neither is me breaking out the manual pasta-maker. Its a hobby, like mechanics is a hobby that can be genuinely useful and beneficial, like hunting or fishing, but are motives are typically much the same as someone playing X-box.</quote>
I also partially agree, but I think it's an important choice first, and a hobby second. I made the choice to completely change my diet and lifestyle (and have lost 8+ pounds so far this time 'round), because I think I need to do that for my health. I would do that for my children as well, if I had them. That I enjoy it was sort of secondary, but I have fully embraced that, I admit (I had to learn to love it, or I would have quit). I like spending money on interesting foodie things, because people have to eat - food feels like a freebie on the budget, if that makes sense? I know I'm very lucky to be in a position to feel that way.

<quote id="278438"><quote id="278433">But what are we really saying here? That non-McDonald food is prohibitively less convenient and more expensive? Because honestly, if one has ANY seed money at all, buying rice, pasta or fillers, the occasional sauce, etc can get a person pretty far. If one has stocked up on a few things, one could probably feed multiple people for $1/person, even if one is occasionally splurging on some organic veggies or free-range chicken.</quote></quote>

<quote id="278438">I think the concept is that a lot of times even if you earn minimum wage you could eat fast food and go work some more and come up ahead on cash. Particularly since a lot of fast food joint sell the burgers at or even below cost and make their money on fries and soda. It's a crap example though. It still takes time to go to a burger joint and wait in line or drive thru, typically more than assembling a PBJ or cold cut sandwich and tossing it the lunch pail. Unless one is either very half assed or very elaborate at such things, or the food joint travel time and wait is virtually nil, I have difficulty imagining pulling two slices of bread out, slapping on the ingredients, and sticking it in the travel rig up, even including time shopping and doing the dishes, would equal out. On the other hand, I am pretty sure the actual cost of having a kitchen in one's house, keeping it heated, keeping the fridge cold, etc all cost more in total for a single person then eating fast food with an eye for Calories per $$$ does.</quote>
Yeah. And that last bit is true, but we would have fridges anyway. There are plenty of other things to put in there, whether it's crap or not (juice, ice cream, beer...)

<quote id="278438"><quote id="278433">I guess I'm saying that I understand that some people have difficulties with time/money, but I also find it hard to believe this is as hard as the article makes it seem - I was raised in a single-economy household, and I have three siblings. My mother somehow fed all of us home-cooked meals, even if the veg wasn't the best of the best. I can't see how that's not better than McDonald's, and I'm pretty sure most of us exist in the middle ground between non-stop McD's and fully organic.</quote></quote>

<quote id="278438">Agreed. I don't shoot my own cows or grow and grind my own flour and I could do the latter I'm sure, it holds no interest for me and I really doubt I could do it economically.</quote>
We do add something new each year though. I'm not sure where our stopping point will be. :P Right now, we're starting up a more official mini home-brew-boilerthingie. And thinking about getting chickens. And I want an ice cream maker. SEE?!
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