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Re: I am all in favor os sensible thigs and try to practice them myself Isaac Send a noteboard - 29/07/2013 08:04:26 PM

View original postThere is nothing wrong with people encouraging the sort of thing you are are talking about it is when they start acting like it is the only valid choice that it becomes a problem. I have a sad a mostly neglected home garden myself.

Well that comes back to who is 'they', you take abortion, there are some, some very vocal, persons who oppose any abortion period, even when it would be clear triage, "this baby is dying and taking its mother with it if we don't act now" situations, on the flip side there are those opposed to banning even those abortions which take place so late in pregnancy and are essentially deliveries that one tug would separate a healthy baby from mother. In between those positions are a lot more people who wouldn't want to be classified as 'they' and wouldn't want those lines of reasoning applied to their more rational arguments. You can even expand that to include banning birth control or allowing infanticide, those are rare positions but not unheard of, but very few pro-choicers or pro-lifers would want any association to either of those perspectives. They're not just carrying the analogy too far, they're running on a complete different set of core assumptions.

Same applies to a lot of these groups. Some would favor only eating food grown within effective walking distance, only 'organic' foods, only those plants native to the area, and only vegan ones at that.

This is an entirely different thing then someone who suggests we dump some encouragement money into trying to get more people to keep gardens and chicken coops or try to make it logistically easier for small farmers even down to gardener scale to distribute to local supermarkets. Making greenhouses of any-size tax-write offs, or simply exempt from sales tax, would be an idea (though probably not a great one, just thinking out loud), allowing schools with the space to have gardens for the kids which could fit as a biology/botany/recess sort of setup to greater expose that as a possible hobby and develop basic skills, even possibly as a sport-equivalent, a more physical team or individual thing then AV club, chess team, etc if obviously not track and field or football, akin to 4H clubs. Dumping some money into ads to reminding suburban and rural people that welfare money is typically allowed to be spent on seeds. Maybe even allowing window boxes, trowels, etc to be given away free of charge with a DVD on gardening, etc. Switching a school lunch in my area to be apple or grape juice boxes instead of orange, with a small cash incentive to schools for local acquisition, making that more local and also hopefully at least slightly encouraging future preference. These are the kind of things I mean when I say 'encouragement', and I think it is what most people, even those more vocal on 'locally grown' find palatable and acceptable. I think the 'they' is simply particular loud and crazy and heard more, same as the TEA party members back in 2010 were fairly normal folk but the guy interviewed for the TV was always the craziest, loudest person there.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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The greatest food in human history? - 28/07/2013 05:13:31 PM 1416 Views
That would've been a rather more useful article... - 28/07/2013 06:31:01 PM 784 Views
If you are going hungry calories do matter - 28/07/2013 09:19:45 PM 716 Views
Maybe it's a bit of repression and projection onto the people who eat there? - 29/07/2013 01:36:10 AM 844 Views
He sounds like a nut. *NM* - 28/07/2013 08:29:29 PM 542 Views
unlike the people who think we should all eat food grown within 100 miles of where we live? - 28/07/2013 09:22:07 PM 818 Views
Supply issues of transportation are not entirely unjustified, though often exaggerated - 28/07/2013 10:38:04 PM 941 Views
population distrubution makes that solution unworkable - 28/07/2013 11:34:16 PM 819 Views
Since when? - 29/07/2013 05:11:52 AM 861 Views
I am all in favor os sensible thigs and try to practice them myself - 29/07/2013 01:03:45 PM 835 Views
Re: I am all in favor os sensible thigs and try to practice them myself - 29/07/2013 08:04:26 PM 927 Views
They are nuts too. - 29/07/2013 03:30:46 PM 829 Views
My experiences with the whole organic, etc. people. - 29/07/2013 01:46:11 AM 824 Views
I thought he was being satirical. At least until I kept reading. - 29/07/2013 03:15:12 AM 787 Views
Depends on whether you live in a food desert or not. *NM* - 29/07/2013 01:10:56 PM 421 Views
fast food doesn't make you fat. To much food makes you fat - 29/07/2013 01:11:28 PM 878 Views
Too much food definitely makes you fat but in comparing apples to apples... - 29/07/2013 01:46:08 PM 877 Views
calories are calories - 29/07/2013 03:36:59 PM 896 Views
I don't agree with your subject - 29/07/2013 07:05:50 PM 986 Views
Yeah, I thought the same. Body totally contradicts subject. *NM* - 30/07/2013 02:50:59 AM 1070 Views
I was refering to weight gain not general health *NM* - 30/07/2013 05:38:15 PM 401 Views
And I still don't agree with you. - 30/07/2013 06:48:14 PM 772 Views
but you should be used to that by now *NM* - 30/07/2013 08:51:12 PM 499 Views
And I don't really see - 29/07/2013 02:55:41 PM 748 Views
Re: And I don't really see - 29/07/2013 05:29:55 PM 747 Views
Not to discount the points he makes, but what I find interesting ... - 29/07/2013 03:51:59 AM 813 Views
I don't know if thinks it is OK or just acept the reality of it - 29/07/2013 01:05:52 PM 800 Views
I'm sure you could live off them for quite a while. - 29/07/2013 01:38:09 PM 862 Views
Super Size me was BS - 29/07/2013 06:23:26 PM 709 Views
I eat mostly organic, homemade, etc - 29/07/2013 07:23:02 PM 813 Views
I think most of us track costs just as a self-justification though - 29/07/2013 08:43:09 PM 885 Views
Mm, somewhat. - 29/07/2013 10:38:22 PM 866 Views
Re: Mm, somewhat. - 29/07/2013 11:34:00 PM 823 Views
I have brown eggs and free rnage chicken in mmy fridge so I am not judging - 30/07/2013 01:12:51 PM 961 Views
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What, you have brown eggs?! - 30/07/2013 06:56:28 PM 820 Views
I know! - 30/07/2013 07:13:31 PM 814 Views
well I don't do the shopping just the eating - 30/07/2013 08:49:51 PM 725 Views
Well, eating is my favourite part of a meal too... - 30/07/2013 10:39:22 PM 684 Views
FYI: Egg shell color is determined by the breed of the hen, not by diet or living conditions. - 01/08/2013 05:04:32 PM 825 Views
So I have learned - 01/08/2013 05:53:18 PM 968 Views
Re: bird diet - 02/08/2013 02:51:23 PM 854 Views
WTF? Kale is good. *NM* - 01/08/2013 06:31:28 PM 455 Views

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