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I think he's wrong for continuing to talk about it, and doing so in this manner A Deathwatch Guard Send a noteboard - 21/07/2013 06:59:11 AM

Maybe what happened that night was about racism, maybe it wasn't, but the case has been decided, and from there it can continue on through all the regular channels. What function does it serve for Obama to continue bringing the subject up and up again? What function does it serve for him to make an assumption? After all, he’s the President of the United States, his mere opinion carries some weight. An assumption from him is fact for others, so how can this do anything other than stoke racial tensions?

And while there are valuable points among what he says, point which are generally true, why are there also dramatic embellishments? They’re what this thread has been about, not the core meaning of his statements. You can get away with arguments and phrasing of this level when you are a random anonymous poster on the internet, but not when you hold a public office, and especially not when you hold as important an office as his.

So basically my point is that his remarks were sloppy and detrimental. I don’t feel like he said anything that will calm people or bring them together, and may just raise tensions instead. Does being right about some things really excuse all these other factors?

And while what I said before was quite heated and written under the influence of passion, I stand by it. I think he is lumping all black people together, and I do find that racist, no matter how much shared culture and history many might share. There is a world of difference between people based on their geography, socioeconomic status, and a slew of other factors. To me, what Obama is saying by comparing himself or his hypothetical son to Martin (which he has done twice now, meaning that he had plenty of time to think about it), is that those differences mean nothing. They share one similarity, and that is the color of their skin, and apparently that is the only factor that matters. This isn't true, and the President shouldn't be spouting opinions as fact during a press conference. (I am speaking about his comments on the experiences all African Americans have shared, which is purely anecdotal. There is a grain of truth there, but it isn't fact, it isn't a study, and it isn't a statistic, so he has no business trying to pass it off as such.)

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"Trayvon Martin could have been me." President Obama - 19/07/2013 11:27:21 PM 1467 Views
My interpretation is that he's being incredibly racist...against blacks - 19/07/2013 11:52:37 PM 782 Views
I think you're right - 19/07/2013 11:54:41 PM 733 Views
From the litlle I heard on NPR I had a couple real problems with it - 20/07/2013 12:53:40 AM 754 Views
Would he just shut up about it already? *pukes a little in mouth* *NM* - 20/07/2013 04:20:07 AM 317 Views
Yeah. As someone who voted for Obama and would do so again, this is embarrassing. - 20/07/2013 10:10:53 AM 654 Views
Ditto. Except I didn't vote for him a second time. - 21/07/2013 01:34:54 AM 759 Views
Does it matter now? Martin is still dead and Zimmerman will stay free. It's over. - 20/07/2013 04:24:43 AM 659 Views
It makes a great deal of difference - 20/07/2013 04:40:55 AM 702 Views
C'mon guys. It's sounding very "I'm not a racist, I swear!" in here. - 20/07/2013 03:32:08 PM 841 Views
I can't like your reply enough. *NM* - 20/07/2013 03:42:00 PM 333 Views
"I am not a racist I swear it" is what we are reduced for not agreeing on race - 20/07/2013 04:44:52 PM 702 Views
No. As I'll say to Isaac in a minute, I'll apologize for lumping everyone in - 20/07/2013 08:06:49 PM 693 Views
for me his about what will work not what is fair - 22/07/2013 06:06:13 PM 753 Views
It has to be both. Period. Nobody will accept someone else trying to change them - 22/07/2013 07:29:15 PM 746 Views
sorry I don't see where he says a change in behaviour is part of the solution - 23/07/2013 06:29:16 PM 640 Views
He did not talk about the case - 23/07/2013 07:32:44 PM 655 Views
A touch over the top don't you think? - 20/07/2013 05:20:21 PM 674 Views
One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense - 20/07/2013 09:09:45 PM 680 Views
Re: One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense - 20/07/2013 11:53:08 PM 712 Views
As mentioned - 21/07/2013 12:18:14 AM 756 Views
Re: As mentioned - 21/07/2013 02:25:30 PM 678 Views
You just EXACTLY quoted the point I was making - 20/07/2013 06:04:25 PM 751 Views
Em... not so sure I did. - 20/07/2013 10:19:54 PM 606 Views
I think he's wrong for continuing to talk about it, and doing so in this manner - 21/07/2013 06:59:11 AM 775 Views
We will also have to agree to disagree. - 21/07/2013 10:25:13 AM 806 Views
There are more important things for him to be focusing on, I think. That said, I think you're right. *NM* - 21/07/2013 08:16:34 AM 330 Views
There will always be something "more important." *NM* - 21/07/2013 10:25:46 AM 300 Views
That's specious reasoning. - 21/07/2013 12:02:17 PM 638 Views
It is if you sidestep my point. - 21/07/2013 05:15:19 PM 606 Views
I am of two minds on the issue. *edit* - 21/07/2013 02:04:48 PM 696 Views
Well, that's good. I feel like I'm working on 3 or 4 at this point. - 21/07/2013 05:41:21 PM 732 Views
I'm one of those annoying people who corrects others with "biracial". - 22/07/2013 08:03:10 PM 760 Views
That's not appropriate. Obama identifies as black. *NM* - 23/07/2013 06:22:06 AM 356 Views
So do lots of white kids. - 23/07/2013 08:50:12 AM 600 Views
It is the truth, though. - 23/07/2013 06:30:53 PM 652 Views
I do not agree. - 23/07/2013 07:06:33 PM 684 Views
I know, and I find that weird. - 23/07/2013 12:57:39 PM 697 Views
This is a complex issue. - 23/07/2013 01:09:00 PM 605 Views
Because he looks black, he's been treated like a black person. - 23/07/2013 06:28:41 PM 603 Views
Yes - 23/07/2013 07:11:54 PM 769 Views
Perusing. - 24/07/2013 04:02:53 AM 679 Views
That makes sense. Generally, though, one should go by whatever the person in question identifies as. *NM* - 24/07/2013 06:13:28 AM 312 Views
I noticed the press wasn't aboard with idea when it came to Zimmerman - 24/07/2013 12:49:00 PM 642 Views
Which is silly, because anyone can be racist. You are right, though. *NM* - 24/07/2013 10:32:55 PM 314 Views
No, only white people can be racist. /sarcasm - 25/07/2013 04:38:13 PM 674 Views
No, not really. - 26/07/2013 07:40:45 AM 592 Views
My reply to Nossy above. - 24/07/2013 02:25:49 PM 634 Views
As always, the voice of reason when I am about to discount the US as fucking mental. *NM* - 21/07/2013 03:17:15 PM 303 Views
That's not very nice. - 21/07/2013 09:03:55 PM 695 Views
No, probably not. - 21/07/2013 10:01:36 PM 659 Views
Its unfortunate you see us the way you do - 22/07/2013 06:05:30 AM 709 Views
So Obama smoked weed, punched school bus drivers, and got arrested for theft? - 21/07/2013 05:10:26 AM 633 Views
No, but he could have. - 21/07/2013 01:08:26 PM 603 Views

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