Active Users:839 Time:23/12/2024 02:34:41 AM
Please cite the legal statutes Trayvon Martin violated before Zimmerman approached him Jay Sherman Send a noteboard - 19/07/2013 10:24:59 PM

View original post
View original post
Until then, we are simply waiting for the next Trayvon Martin, Oscar Grant, Amadou Diallo, and an unfortunately long list of unarmed black men who are considered criminals first and people a very distant second.



Considering whites are the overwhelming majority of interracial crime victims, and blacks are the majority perpetrators of all violence against blacks, and how many black leaders promote a mindset of racial solidarity in opposition to facts or the law, it's rather amazing that white people have not imposed that alleged de facto status as de jure.
o
For every Diallo, there is an OJ Simpson, with a history of domestic violence, who cut the throats of two white people and was freed by a predominantly black jury, and a Reginald Denny, who was absolutely known to have been attacked by blacks based solely on the color of his skin (and his life saved by blacks who are better men than you or Trayvon Martin), only his attackers were defended on grounds of racial solidarity. When you have the media editing Zimmerman's 911 call and doctoring his photographs to protect Martin's image, when you have the president of the United States and a member of Congress blindly defending Martin solely because of his color, and when every major racist story of the last few years has been a hoax or an insane, Orwellian distortion of facts to invent a racial motivation... you have a long way to go to convince anyone that blacks are some sort of disenfranchised class.


OJ was freed on the same reasonable doubt Zimmerman received. It does not make him any less guilty of killing his wife and her friend. Denny's attackers got reduced sentences. The only part of Denny's case which is similar to Zimmerman is that Denny was not breaking any laws when he was beaten. Otherwise, his attackers were not in the neighbourhood watch program, and they were all convicted of participating in the attack.

Meanwhile, there is the case which just wrapped up yesterday of John Henry Spooner, who shot his 13-year old black neighbour at point blank range after accusing him of stealing guns from his house. The difference in the two cases is that Spooner not only admitted to killing the 13-year old, but said he did so out of revenge for his stolen guns -- none of which were ever traced to the neighbour, who seems to have had no involvement in the crime. Even if the kid was involved, he did not deserve to be shot in cold blood.

Even now, there is the trial of Michael Dunn, who shot and killed a black teenager in Florida after claiming to be standing his ground during a verbal argument. We shall see what happens to this trial, but it also differs from the Zimmerman trial in that Dunn did not make up a story about the fight, he simply went home and ordered a pizza and never reported the shooting to police. What made the Zimmerman trial a lightning rod for racial injustice is that Zimmerman made the assumption that a 17-year old black male walking home from the store was in the process of committing a criminal act, or was about to commit a criminal act, or was a criminal in general. Then he decided to take his gun and doing something about it rather than speaking to Martin directly and finding out what he was doing in the neighbourhood. See my post above for how their conversation should have gone, if Zimmerman weren't trying to use his gun first and his brain second.

Reply to message
Zimmerman = Not Guilty - 14/07/2013 04:04:07 AM 1792 Views
Any charge, other than stupidity, was rediculous. *NM* - 14/07/2013 04:24:09 AM 509 Views
Stupidity+Death= Manslaughter *NM* - 14/07/2013 05:27:39 AM 480 Views
But hey... - 14/07/2013 05:35:11 AM 1014 Views
And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace - 14/07/2013 05:28:03 PM 1142 Views
Oh puhleeze... can you get any more rediculous? *NM* - 14/07/2013 07:22:52 PM 631 Views
HyogaRott baby, you are hurting me here. Can you please stop this? - 14/07/2013 11:29:00 PM 897 Views
If inline spellcheck doesn't catch it, I probably won't either. - 15/07/2013 06:29:29 AM 828 Views
you really are small minded little bigot - 15/07/2013 03:57:01 AM 917 Views
+1 - Seriously has imlad always been this nuts? *NM* - 15/07/2013 04:32:33 AM 542 Views
Your reply is partisan and obnoxious. - 15/07/2013 02:15:13 PM 917 Views
So it was okay that he was on top of a guy, pounding his head into the pavement? - 14/07/2013 06:45:17 PM 919 Views
If you can believe Zimmerman's side of the story is 100% truth, I have a bridge for sale... - 15/07/2013 05:35:08 PM 1018 Views
do you have actual evidence to support zimmerman lied? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:43:42 PM 511 Views
Sure - 16/07/2013 06:49:20 PM 805 Views
Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 07:53:27 PM 956 Views
Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 10:07:13 PM 1002 Views
Re: Sure - 17/07/2013 03:26:15 AM 936 Views
The kid decided to beat a man who had a gun and got shot for it - 15/07/2013 03:46:38 AM 894 Views
In a sane world, here is how their interaction plays out - 15/07/2013 05:44:26 PM 862 Views
Yes. And the fact that he didn't simply ask him what he was doing, tells me he was racial profiling - 15/07/2013 08:59:41 PM 852 Views
The only way that statement makes sense is if it is sarcasm - 16/07/2013 12:46:59 PM 800 Views
And tomorrow I get to preach about the Good Samaritan. - 14/07/2013 05:26:50 AM 1079 Views
Where's your forgiveness?? Judge not lest ye be judged. - 14/07/2013 07:10:14 PM 847 Views
Did I say a thing about Zimmerman? No. - 14/07/2013 08:44:26 PM 977 Views
Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Which neighborhood watch were you referring to? - 15/07/2013 12:46:44 AM 947 Views
Float your concept of grace in front of your priest sometime. - 15/07/2013 04:31:34 AM 821 Views
Danny... - 15/07/2013 01:32:03 PM 911 Views
You'd think the rain of venom in here would make everyone's soapbox too slippery to stand on - 15/07/2013 01:05:41 PM 861 Views
+1 *NM* - 15/07/2013 06:40:15 PM 562 Views
would that be true for most of politics as well? *NM* - 16/07/2013 12:58:33 PM 528 Views
Depends on the case, but those aren't individual life and death criminal trials - 16/07/2013 01:52:00 PM 776 Views
when the president gets involved it is safe to polotics are at play. - 16/07/2013 06:23:54 PM 835 Views
That's not an unfair remark but it justifies criticizing him, not also getting involved in the case - 16/07/2013 06:59:53 PM 848 Views
When a case shows glaring holes in the law, it should by nature cause those laws to be reconsidered - 16/07/2013 07:18:57 PM 932 Views
I'm not sure what those 'glaring holes' are, but a specific person shouldn't be needed to show them - 16/07/2013 08:18:38 PM 836 Views
It is a bit difficult to not use the case when the specificity of the case is the problem.... - 16/07/2013 11:06:59 PM 905 Views
I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 12:14:39 AM 976 Views
Re: I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 05:29:56 PM 968 Views
I think you've over-personalized this case - 17/07/2013 08:00:50 PM 892 Views
I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice - 17/07/2013 10:34:38 PM 951 Views
Re: I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice - 18/07/2013 01:39:17 AM 1083 Views
Jury instructions - 18/07/2013 04:12:29 AM 1042 Views
Jury Instructions 2 - 18/07/2013 06:22:33 PM 896 Views
I just want to comment on two points from your reply - 19/07/2013 09:47:06 PM 800 Views
I'm pretty throughly exhausted of this - 19/07/2013 10:46:22 PM 904 Views
Nice. - 16/07/2013 09:01:50 PM 990 Views
Thanks - 16/07/2013 09:48:00 PM 824 Views
Well said. - 17/07/2013 02:25:36 PM 987 Views
it is possible to discuss a case based on what the evidence shows - 17/07/2013 06:03:05 PM 974 Views
Of course it is possible, one just fails to see how it can serve any good end - 17/07/2013 09:43:02 PM 845 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 18/07/2013 02:08:25 AM 592 Views
That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 02:52:15 AM 878 Views
Re: That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 04:09:51 AM 992 Views
are agree with your general concept - 18/07/2013 05:20:41 PM 1123 Views
Good. - 15/07/2013 02:11:12 PM 810 Views
Perhaps one day black people will have the same rights as whites in the US - 15/07/2013 05:30:00 PM 981 Views
Congratulations on making one of the dumbest statemets of the year. *NM* - 15/07/2013 09:00:46 PM 570 Views
You have tried retroatcively making Martin a criminal here, despite him doing nothing wrong - 15/07/2013 10:52:32 PM 865 Views
So you support attacking creepy crackers who you think are following you? - 16/07/2013 12:56:52 PM 863 Views
The law suggests that if I fear for my safety, I am justified in attacking first in self-defense - 18/07/2013 11:00:58 PM 929 Views
there is zero evidience to support that assumption - 19/07/2013 04:25:15 AM 798 Views
Let's see - Martin was using drugs..... - 16/07/2013 04:56:13 PM 852 Views
Does that mean he should have been hunted down and shot? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:22:43 PM 522 Views
He wasn't, so your question is irrelevant. - 16/07/2013 05:37:27 PM 782 Views
Funny how black victims are rare enough to be famous. - 19/07/2013 12:24:12 PM 795 Views
Please cite the legal statutes Trayvon Martin violated before Zimmerman approached him - 19/07/2013 10:24:59 PM 893 Views

Reply to Message