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The law suggests that if I fear for my safety, I am justified in attacking first in self-defense Jay Sherman Send a noteboard - 18/07/2013 11:00:58 PM

None of the questions of how they fought were necessarily wrong, but it's a pretty big jump to go from Zimmerman following Martin -- who had every single right to be walking down that street by himself in that situation -- and Martin planning an ambush just because he wants to kick someone's ass and Zimmerman got the punishment. Something had to happen in between, and the most likely scenario is that Martin was either afraid for his personal safety, or Zimmerman laid hands on him first and Martin fought with him to try to get away. Too much of the narrative has focussed on Martin being the aggressor when Martin was not the one stalking Zimmerman, but rather the other way around.

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Zimmerman = Not Guilty - 14/07/2013 04:04:07 AM 1810 Views
Any charge, other than stupidity, was rediculous. *NM* - 14/07/2013 04:24:09 AM 517 Views
Stupidity+Death= Manslaughter *NM* - 14/07/2013 05:27:39 AM 486 Views
But hey... - 14/07/2013 05:35:11 AM 1028 Views
And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace - 14/07/2013 05:28:03 PM 1161 Views
Oh puhleeze... can you get any more rediculous? *NM* - 14/07/2013 07:22:52 PM 637 Views
HyogaRott baby, you are hurting me here. Can you please stop this? - 14/07/2013 11:29:00 PM 914 Views
If inline spellcheck doesn't catch it, I probably won't either. - 15/07/2013 06:29:29 AM 843 Views
you really are small minded little bigot - 15/07/2013 03:57:01 AM 934 Views
+1 - Seriously has imlad always been this nuts? *NM* - 15/07/2013 04:32:33 AM 547 Views
Your reply is partisan and obnoxious. - 15/07/2013 02:15:13 PM 939 Views
So it was okay that he was on top of a guy, pounding his head into the pavement? - 14/07/2013 06:45:17 PM 925 Views
If you can believe Zimmerman's side of the story is 100% truth, I have a bridge for sale... - 15/07/2013 05:35:08 PM 1031 Views
do you have actual evidence to support zimmerman lied? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:43:42 PM 515 Views
Sure - 16/07/2013 06:49:20 PM 821 Views
Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 07:53:27 PM 976 Views
Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 10:07:13 PM 1016 Views
Re: Sure - 17/07/2013 03:26:15 AM 952 Views
The kid decided to beat a man who had a gun and got shot for it - 15/07/2013 03:46:38 AM 910 Views
In a sane world, here is how their interaction plays out - 15/07/2013 05:44:26 PM 881 Views
Yes. And the fact that he didn't simply ask him what he was doing, tells me he was racial profiling - 15/07/2013 08:59:41 PM 871 Views
The only way that statement makes sense is if it is sarcasm - 16/07/2013 12:46:59 PM 818 Views
And tomorrow I get to preach about the Good Samaritan. - 14/07/2013 05:26:50 AM 1091 Views
Where's your forgiveness?? Judge not lest ye be judged. - 14/07/2013 07:10:14 PM 861 Views
Did I say a thing about Zimmerman? No. - 14/07/2013 08:44:26 PM 993 Views
Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Which neighborhood watch were you referring to? - 15/07/2013 12:46:44 AM 967 Views
Float your concept of grace in front of your priest sometime. - 15/07/2013 04:31:34 AM 840 Views
Danny... - 15/07/2013 01:32:03 PM 921 Views
You'd think the rain of venom in here would make everyone's soapbox too slippery to stand on - 15/07/2013 01:05:41 PM 882 Views
+1 *NM* - 15/07/2013 06:40:15 PM 570 Views
would that be true for most of politics as well? *NM* - 16/07/2013 12:58:33 PM 535 Views
Depends on the case, but those aren't individual life and death criminal trials - 16/07/2013 01:52:00 PM 794 Views
when the president gets involved it is safe to polotics are at play. - 16/07/2013 06:23:54 PM 855 Views
That's not an unfair remark but it justifies criticizing him, not also getting involved in the case - 16/07/2013 06:59:53 PM 866 Views
When a case shows glaring holes in the law, it should by nature cause those laws to be reconsidered - 16/07/2013 07:18:57 PM 947 Views
I'm not sure what those 'glaring holes' are, but a specific person shouldn't be needed to show them - 16/07/2013 08:18:38 PM 853 Views
It is a bit difficult to not use the case when the specificity of the case is the problem.... - 16/07/2013 11:06:59 PM 925 Views
I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 12:14:39 AM 994 Views
Re: I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 05:29:56 PM 983 Views
I think you've over-personalized this case - 17/07/2013 08:00:50 PM 906 Views
I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice - 17/07/2013 10:34:38 PM 967 Views
Re: I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice - 18/07/2013 01:39:17 AM 1106 Views
Jury instructions - 18/07/2013 04:12:29 AM 1060 Views
Jury Instructions 2 - 18/07/2013 06:22:33 PM 919 Views
I just want to comment on two points from your reply - 19/07/2013 09:47:06 PM 817 Views
I'm pretty throughly exhausted of this - 19/07/2013 10:46:22 PM 917 Views
Nice. - 16/07/2013 09:01:50 PM 1009 Views
Thanks - 16/07/2013 09:48:00 PM 843 Views
Well said. - 17/07/2013 02:25:36 PM 1008 Views
it is possible to discuss a case based on what the evidence shows - 17/07/2013 06:03:05 PM 981 Views
Of course it is possible, one just fails to see how it can serve any good end - 17/07/2013 09:43:02 PM 860 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 18/07/2013 02:08:25 AM 598 Views
That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 02:52:15 AM 900 Views
Re: That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 04:09:51 AM 1006 Views
are agree with your general concept - 18/07/2013 05:20:41 PM 1141 Views
Good. - 15/07/2013 02:11:12 PM 828 Views
Perhaps one day black people will have the same rights as whites in the US - 15/07/2013 05:30:00 PM 998 Views
Congratulations on making one of the dumbest statemets of the year. *NM* - 15/07/2013 09:00:46 PM 577 Views
You have tried retroatcively making Martin a criminal here, despite him doing nothing wrong - 15/07/2013 10:52:32 PM 881 Views
So you support attacking creepy crackers who you think are following you? - 16/07/2013 12:56:52 PM 874 Views
The law suggests that if I fear for my safety, I am justified in attacking first in self-defense - 18/07/2013 11:00:58 PM 946 Views
there is zero evidience to support that assumption - 19/07/2013 04:25:15 AM 819 Views
Let's see - Martin was using drugs..... - 16/07/2013 04:56:13 PM 870 Views
Does that mean he should have been hunted down and shot? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:22:43 PM 528 Views
He wasn't, so your question is irrelevant. - 16/07/2013 05:37:27 PM 793 Views

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