View original postIf we were lawyers, or in law school, especially focusing on criminal law, then yes, this case, this specific case, could be discussed. From a jurist angle, the case has importance in terms of managing a high profile case without letting one's courtroom become a circus. From a Law Enforcement angle it has possibilities in terms of what a 9/11 dispatcher should say, and how police should conduct an investigation. For Neighborhood Watches, in terms of how they should structure their own protocols. In each of those cases there is a very specific reason to discuss it, and a very specific spectrum the discussion should focus on. Perhaps for the public in general one can say parent's would be wise to tell their teenage male children that walking away and/or calling the police is the wiser course of action if they think someone is following them. That should make for a fairly brief conversation. Me, I'm not lawyer, judge, law student, law enforcer, dispatcher, neighborhood watch member, or parent. So I can't think of any positive end I'd have discussing this case. Nor, in the thread, have I seen anyone else indicate they hit any of those criteria except for a parent, and it seems that entire conversation would not even hinge on the outcome of the trial or whether or not it was a just one. "If you think someone's following, walk faster, find a house with lights ons, call the cops, or all of the above" and other than repetition or minor alteration that would seem to be it, and seem common sense advice I'd think parents would offer any kid as part of "Stranger Danger", wholly irrelevant to this case.
View original postBeyond that, what is there? We do not know much about what happened, we can make educated guesses but why should we? The jury has spoken and you seem to agree with their conclusions, truth be told our role, if we even have one, isn't even about their conclusion was right it is at most about whether or not their conclusion was reasonable. I haven't heard many voices shouting that the jury was corrupt, insane, etc. even if they disagreed with the verdict. There's been several thousand murders since this one, nobody cares about those. If its about the politics then yeah, odds are for some time to come and possible for decades to come Mr. Martin will feature on many a banner and t-shirt and be a symbol to some of whatever it is they think he should be. That's life.
View original postLook I'm not even telling you you can't have an opinion on the case. I've got one on OJ's from way back before I decided it was better to ignore these trials. I'm just saying its done and over and best ignored. Nobody discussing it now has any intention of changing their mind, not now, same as with OJ, given a few months or years cooler heads might prevail. That won't happen now. People are too hot over the issue, it's become personal or political or both for them.
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I believe all news and research that supports my opinion, and dismiss the rest as conspiracy and lies.
I believe all news and research that supports my opinion, and dismiss the rest as conspiracy and lies.
Zimmerman = Not Guilty
14/07/2013 04:04:07 AM
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Any charge, other than stupidity, was rediculous. *NM*
14/07/2013 04:24:09 AM
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But hey...
14/07/2013 05:35:11 AM
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And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace
14/07/2013 05:28:03 PM
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Oh puhleeze... can you get any more rediculous? *NM*
14/07/2013 07:22:52 PM
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HyogaRott baby, you are hurting me here. Can you please stop this?
14/07/2013 11:29:00 PM
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Re: And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace
14/07/2013 07:32:26 PM
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So it was okay that he was on top of a guy, pounding his head into the pavement?
14/07/2013 06:45:17 PM
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If you can believe Zimmerman's side of the story is 100% truth, I have a bridge for sale...
15/07/2013 05:35:08 PM
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Silly post - following someone around is not legal justification for physical assault.
15/07/2013 12:47:54 AM
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And lying about self-defense should not be grounds for acquittal of all charges, but there you go *NM*
15/07/2013 05:43:15 PM
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I think it all really has to do with reasonable doubt
16/07/2013 01:08:24 PM
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The burden of proof should have been on the shooter to prove lethal force was necessary
16/07/2013 06:52:17 PM
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So, you prefer "guilty until proven innocent"?
16/07/2013 06:54:56 PM
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Yes, and I also eat babies for breakfast and make sure I kick at least one puppy a day *facepalm*
16/07/2013 07:13:11 PM
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Re: The burden of proof should have been on the shooter to prove lethal force was necessary
16/07/2013 07:18:36 PM
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Re: The burden of proof should have been on the shooter to prove lethal force was necessary
16/07/2013 07:21:42 PM
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Re: The burden of proof should have been on the shooter to prove lethal force was necessary
16/07/2013 07:30:39 PM
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The kid decided to beat a man who had a gun and got shot for it
15/07/2013 03:46:38 AM
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In a sane world, here is how their interaction plays out
15/07/2013 05:44:26 PM
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Yes. And the fact that he didn't simply ask him what he was doing, tells me he was racial profiling
15/07/2013 08:59:41 PM
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The only way that statement makes sense is if it is sarcasm
16/07/2013 12:46:59 PM
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You are suggesting that it is better to shoot first rather than engage in diplomacy
16/07/2013 07:05:32 PM
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And you continue to ignore all the evidence that supports the theory that Martin attacked Zimmerman
16/07/2013 07:20:55 PM
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You are defending a known liar with a history of domestic violence
16/07/2013 07:23:11 PM
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Actually I am not defending anyone (except the rule of law).
16/07/2013 08:00:38 PM
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You keep insisting that Martin started the fight, giving him no chance of his own self-defense right
16/07/2013 09:25:17 PM
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Please, Please, PLEASE actually read the laws of Florida that I have posted a link to for you.
16/07/2013 09:41:15 PM
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I have read the laws you linked to, I fail to see how they cannot also apply to Martin
16/07/2013 10:40:46 PM
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You failed to identify any laws. *NM*
16/07/2013 10:49:20 PM
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I saved it for the reply to Isaac below if you really need it *NM*
16/07/2013 11:07:53 PM
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Re: I have read the laws you linked to, I fail to see how they cannot also apply to Martin
17/07/2013 03:41:58 AM
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And tomorrow I get to preach about the Good Samaritan.
14/07/2013 05:26:50 AM
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Where's your forgiveness?? Judge not lest ye be judged.
14/07/2013 07:10:14 PM
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Did I say a thing about Zimmerman? No.
14/07/2013 08:44:26 PM
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Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Which neighborhood watch were you referring to?
15/07/2013 12:46:44 AM
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Float your concept of grace in front of your priest sometime.
15/07/2013 04:31:34 AM
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What concept of grace is that? Where did I discuss anything remotely touching on grace?
19/07/2013 12:10:12 PM
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Time to climb to the roof of the city morgue and light the Dexter signal. *NM*
15/07/2013 04:41:35 AM
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You'd think the rain of venom in here would make everyone's soapbox too slippery to stand on
15/07/2013 01:05:41 PM
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would that be true for most of politics as well? *NM*
16/07/2013 12:58:33 PM
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Depends on the case, but those aren't individual life and death criminal trials
16/07/2013 01:52:00 PM
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when the president gets involved it is safe to polotics are at play.
16/07/2013 06:23:54 PM
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That's not an unfair remark but it justifies criticizing him, not also getting involved in the case
16/07/2013 06:59:53 PM
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When a case shows glaring holes in the law, it should by nature cause those laws to be reconsidered
16/07/2013 07:18:57 PM
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I'm not sure what those 'glaring holes' are, but a specific person shouldn't be needed to show them
16/07/2013 08:18:38 PM
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To assist you with Isaac's request, here is the link to the Laws in Florida
16/07/2013 08:23:14 PM
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It is a bit difficult to not use the case when the specificity of the case is the problem....
16/07/2013 11:06:59 PM
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I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so
17/07/2013 12:14:39 AM
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Re: I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so
17/07/2013 05:29:56 PM
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You are asking for what already exists, and are/were in force at the time.
17/07/2013 06:33:54 PM
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I think you've over-personalized this case
17/07/2013 08:00:50 PM
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I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice
17/07/2013 10:34:38 PM
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Re: I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice
18/07/2013 01:39:17 AM
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Jury Instruction 3 - w/ link to pdf of model FL jury instruction for all criminal cases
18/07/2013 09:51:47 PM
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Your logical error is failing to realize that me following you does NOT meet the statutes
17/07/2013 04:01:52 AM
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Why do you insist on stating things that have been demonstrated to be false?
16/07/2013 08:19:08 PM
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Well said.
17/07/2013 02:25:36 PM
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it is possible to discuss a case based on what the evidence shows
17/07/2013 06:03:05 PM
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Of course it is possible, one just fails to see how it can serve any good end
17/07/2013 09:43:02 PM
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Exactly. *NM*
18/07/2013 02:08:25 AM
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That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you
18/07/2013 02:52:15 AM
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Re: That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you
18/07/2013 04:09:51 AM
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are agree with your general concept
18/07/2013 05:20:41 PM
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My concern all along has been what the laws actually are, and to clear the air of the BS.
18/07/2013 06:06:21 PM
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/trayvon_martin_verdict_racism_hat
18/07/2013 02:04:36 AM
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Perhaps one day black people will have the same rights as whites in the US
15/07/2013 05:30:00 PM
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Congratulations on making one of the dumbest statemets of the year. *NM*
15/07/2013 09:00:46 PM
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You have tried retroatcively making Martin a criminal here, despite him doing nothing wrong
15/07/2013 10:52:32 PM
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I really shouldn't bother but I will try one more time to introduce you to rational thought.
16/07/2013 05:31:12 AM
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So you support attacking creepy crackers who you think are following you?
16/07/2013 12:56:52 PM
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The law suggests that if I fear for my safety, I am justified in attacking first in self-defense
18/07/2013 11:00:58 PM
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there is zero evidience to support that assumption
19/07/2013 04:25:15 AM
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There is zero evidence to support Zimmerman's version of their initial encounter
19/07/2013 09:32:24 PM
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Sorry but you have your facts wrong Martin was identified as the person top
20/07/2013 01:32:00 AM
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Let's see - Martin was using drugs.....
16/07/2013 04:56:13 PM
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Funny how black victims are rare enough to be famous.
19/07/2013 12:24:12 PM
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Please cite the legal statutes Trayvon Martin violated before Zimmerman approached him
19/07/2013 10:24:59 PM
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Do you have any actual facts to prove Zimmerman mad his story or is it pure bias?
20/07/2013 04:21:55 PM
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