You forgot to mention that Zimmerman didn't actaully use a stand your ground defense *NM*
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 18/07/2013 02:03:51 AM
View original postEric Holder, whose idiocy and blatant partisanship is making me reminiscent of Ashcroft & Reno and their ilk, apparently decided to lash out at the stand-your-ground laws in a speech to the NCAA, in reference to the death of Trayvon Martin. While we can be pretty sure which side Holder & the NCAA come down on in that case, how can they be upset about those laws? The justification for BOTH parties is based on that law! According to Martin's advocates, he stood his ground when confronted by a nosy profiler, and was merely defending himself, and his only crime was having the audacity to win a fist fight. In fact, stand-your-ground makes more sense for Martin than for Zimmerman, it being notoriously hard to retreat when a larger man is on top of you. Having the upper hand in the physical confrontation, on the other hand, is generally considered to be the appropriate position from which to call a peaceful halt to the proceedings. But under the principles protected by stand-your-ground, Martin was under no obligation to back off or kowtow to some guy who initiated the confrontation by accosting him.
View original postOf course there are those who might contend that either party retreating (fleeing like a little bitch) would have been the better outcome and that Martin's death is a result of one or both men electing to stand his ground in a state which protected their legal rights to do so, but such people are little bitches whose possessions and women we can take at our leisure and their point of view need not be considered. In all seriousness though, stand-your-ground is the counter to things like Jim Crow. The opposite worked so well at Munich, after all...
Okay, how can you use the Trayvon Martin case AGAINST the stand-your-ground laws?
17/07/2013 10:15:55 PM
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Please, not another thread about this. There's already one that is very much active *NM*
17/07/2013 10:44:26 PM
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You forgot to mention that Zimmerman didn't actaully use a stand your ground defense *NM*
18/07/2013 02:03:51 AM
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+1 - The Zimmerman trial had absolutely nothing to do with the FL Stand Your Ground law. *NM*
18/07/2013 04:06:28 AM
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the judge included it in the instructions to the jury
19/07/2013 04:37:43 AM
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Jury instructions are standardized and were formulated by the Florida Supreme Court *NM*
19/07/2013 06:02:41 PM
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um, when did the collegiate sports organization get involved in politics?
18/07/2013 08:17:24 PM
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It's a combination of even more guns in circulation and no duty to retreat if you feel threatened
18/07/2013 09:13:47 PM
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blacks are incarcerated at a higher rate because they commit crime at a higher rate
19/07/2013 04:31:06 AM
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[citation needed]
19/07/2013 06:12:04 PM
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Don't be tedious, such a claim is unprovable but also the most logical inference
19/07/2013 07:10:22 PM
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If logic says so, then obviously that must be the only course of action possible....
19/07/2013 07:44:44 PM
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Um, how'd you get that out of my remarks?
19/07/2013 08:48:09 PM
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Honestly, I feel like we are getting into some dangerous territory here
24/07/2013 06:25:15 PM
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I wonder what we can call the racism version of Godwinning.
24/07/2013 07:01:20 PM
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Yeah, I asked that question on Facebook recently: Ad genum (as opposed to ad hominem.)
13/08/2013 11:34:28 PM
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SYG really only introduces one new thing to self defense assertions, civil immunity.
19/07/2013 04:07:16 PM
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I'm pretty sure bypassing a SYG hearing leaves you open to civil suit, and that's probably proper
19/07/2013 06:51:38 PM
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My understanding is that they haven't forfeited the SYG option, just not used it yet.
20/07/2013 04:03:19 AM
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I really have no idea, I'm sure others much better qualified will research it
20/07/2013 05:24:38 AM
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The short answer is you cannot; Martin stood his ground in an unprovoked attack and died for it.
11/08/2013 09:01:36 PM
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so you are choosing to ignore the actual evidience and eye witnesses testimony?
13/08/2013 09:04:09 PM
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What evidence and eyewitness testimony do you have in mind?
13/08/2013 11:19:30 PM
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You really need to look up the fact since you appear to not know what it means
14/08/2013 11:53:05 AM
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