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I have read the laws you linked to, I fail to see how they cannot also apply to Martin Jay Sherman Send a noteboard - 16/07/2013 10:40:46 PM

Look at it from Martin's point of view:

  • A random stranger has been following you in his car since you left the store
  • The same stranger has now left his car and is following you on foot
  • You try to hide from him but he finds you and gets in your face about coming into his neighbourhood

At this point there are two things which are absolute fact:

1) Martin and Zimmerman ended up in an altercation with each other, and
2) Martin ended up dead by Zimmerman's hand

The reason for them being in a fight in the first place is completely and reasonably up for debate. However, you continue to insist that only Martin was the aggressor in this situation, completely disregarding how he must have felt or what the situation looked like from his point of view. As did the jurors, it seems. In the rush to judge the situation, you have determined that Martin has no right to defend himself against what he perceives as someone coming to cause him bodily harm -- otherwise why is Zimmerman pursuing him on foot? By getting out of his car and putting himself directly in a bad situation, Zimmerman is initiating the chain of events that ended in Martin's death. This is what I am trying to get you to understand, but you seem to be willfully unreceptive to the fact that there were two stories that night. You have chosen to only see one story because of your own reasons and I will not begin to guess why. However, there is no reason the law does not also apply to Martin. This is why manslaughter was the appropriate charge, because it was Zimmerman's willful actions which caused Martin's death, not the self-defense claim Zimmerman presented.

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Zimmerman = Not Guilty - 14/07/2013 04:04:07 AM 1791 Views
Any charge, other than stupidity, was rediculous. *NM* - 14/07/2013 04:24:09 AM 508 Views
Stupidity+Death= Manslaughter *NM* - 14/07/2013 05:27:39 AM 480 Views
But hey... - 14/07/2013 05:35:11 AM 1013 Views
And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace - 14/07/2013 05:28:03 PM 1141 Views
Oh puhleeze... can you get any more rediculous? *NM* - 14/07/2013 07:22:52 PM 631 Views
HyogaRott baby, you are hurting me here. Can you please stop this? - 14/07/2013 11:29:00 PM 896 Views
If inline spellcheck doesn't catch it, I probably won't either. - 15/07/2013 06:29:29 AM 828 Views
you really are small minded little bigot - 15/07/2013 03:57:01 AM 916 Views
+1 - Seriously has imlad always been this nuts? *NM* - 15/07/2013 04:32:33 AM 542 Views
Your reply is partisan and obnoxious. - 15/07/2013 02:15:13 PM 917 Views
So it was okay that he was on top of a guy, pounding his head into the pavement? - 14/07/2013 06:45:17 PM 919 Views
If you can believe Zimmerman's side of the story is 100% truth, I have a bridge for sale... - 15/07/2013 05:35:08 PM 1018 Views
do you have actual evidence to support zimmerman lied? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:43:42 PM 511 Views
Sure - 16/07/2013 06:49:20 PM 804 Views
Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 07:53:27 PM 956 Views
Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 10:07:13 PM 1001 Views
Re: Sure - 17/07/2013 03:26:15 AM 935 Views
The kid decided to beat a man who had a gun and got shot for it - 15/07/2013 03:46:38 AM 894 Views
In a sane world, here is how their interaction plays out - 15/07/2013 05:44:26 PM 862 Views
Yes. And the fact that he didn't simply ask him what he was doing, tells me he was racial profiling - 15/07/2013 08:59:41 PM 852 Views
The only way that statement makes sense is if it is sarcasm - 16/07/2013 12:46:59 PM 799 Views
You are suggesting that it is better to shoot first rather than engage in diplomacy - 16/07/2013 07:05:32 PM 862 Views
And you continue to ignore all the evidence that supports the theory that Martin attacked Zimmerman - 16/07/2013 07:20:55 PM 839 Views
You are defending a known liar with a history of domestic violence - 16/07/2013 07:23:11 PM 926 Views
Look at A2K's post below - 16/07/2013 07:34:11 PM 904 Views
Actually I am not defending anyone (except the rule of law). - 16/07/2013 08:00:38 PM 854 Views
You keep insisting that Martin started the fight, giving him no chance of his own self-defense right - 16/07/2013 09:25:17 PM 819 Views
Please, Please, PLEASE actually read the laws of Florida that I have posted a link to for you. - 16/07/2013 09:41:15 PM 850 Views
I have read the laws you linked to, I fail to see how they cannot also apply to Martin - 16/07/2013 10:40:46 PM 817 Views
You failed to identify any laws. *NM* - 16/07/2013 10:49:20 PM 487 Views
I saved it for the reply to Isaac below if you really need it *NM* - 16/07/2013 11:07:53 PM 622 Views
And tomorrow I get to preach about the Good Samaritan. - 14/07/2013 05:26:50 AM 1079 Views
Where's your forgiveness?? Judge not lest ye be judged. - 14/07/2013 07:10:14 PM 847 Views
Did I say a thing about Zimmerman? No. - 14/07/2013 08:44:26 PM 976 Views
Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Which neighborhood watch were you referring to? - 15/07/2013 12:46:44 AM 946 Views
Float your concept of grace in front of your priest sometime. - 15/07/2013 04:31:34 AM 821 Views
Danny... - 15/07/2013 01:32:03 PM 910 Views
You'd think the rain of venom in here would make everyone's soapbox too slippery to stand on - 15/07/2013 01:05:41 PM 861 Views
+1 *NM* - 15/07/2013 06:40:15 PM 562 Views
would that be true for most of politics as well? *NM* - 16/07/2013 12:58:33 PM 528 Views
Depends on the case, but those aren't individual life and death criminal trials - 16/07/2013 01:52:00 PM 776 Views
when the president gets involved it is safe to polotics are at play. - 16/07/2013 06:23:54 PM 835 Views
That's not an unfair remark but it justifies criticizing him, not also getting involved in the case - 16/07/2013 06:59:53 PM 847 Views
When a case shows glaring holes in the law, it should by nature cause those laws to be reconsidered - 16/07/2013 07:18:57 PM 931 Views
I'm not sure what those 'glaring holes' are, but a specific person shouldn't be needed to show them - 16/07/2013 08:18:38 PM 836 Views
It is a bit difficult to not use the case when the specificity of the case is the problem.... - 16/07/2013 11:06:59 PM 904 Views
I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 12:14:39 AM 976 Views
Re: I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 05:29:56 PM 967 Views
I think you've over-personalized this case - 17/07/2013 08:00:50 PM 892 Views
I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice - 17/07/2013 10:34:38 PM 951 Views
Re: I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice - 18/07/2013 01:39:17 AM 1083 Views
Jury instructions - 18/07/2013 04:12:29 AM 1042 Views
Jury Instructions 2 - 18/07/2013 06:22:33 PM 895 Views
I just want to comment on two points from your reply - 19/07/2013 09:47:06 PM 799 Views
I'm pretty throughly exhausted of this - 19/07/2013 10:46:22 PM 904 Views
Nice. - 16/07/2013 09:01:50 PM 990 Views
Thanks - 16/07/2013 09:48:00 PM 823 Views
Well said. - 17/07/2013 02:25:36 PM 986 Views
it is possible to discuss a case based on what the evidence shows - 17/07/2013 06:03:05 PM 974 Views
Of course it is possible, one just fails to see how it can serve any good end - 17/07/2013 09:43:02 PM 844 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 18/07/2013 02:08:25 AM 591 Views
That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 02:52:15 AM 878 Views
Re: That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 04:09:51 AM 991 Views
are agree with your general concept - 18/07/2013 05:20:41 PM 1123 Views
Good. - 15/07/2013 02:11:12 PM 810 Views
Perhaps one day black people will have the same rights as whites in the US - 15/07/2013 05:30:00 PM 981 Views
Congratulations on making one of the dumbest statemets of the year. *NM* - 15/07/2013 09:00:46 PM 569 Views
You have tried retroatcively making Martin a criminal here, despite him doing nothing wrong - 15/07/2013 10:52:32 PM 864 Views
So you support attacking creepy crackers who you think are following you? - 16/07/2013 12:56:52 PM 862 Views
The law suggests that if I fear for my safety, I am justified in attacking first in self-defense - 18/07/2013 11:00:58 PM 929 Views
there is zero evidience to support that assumption - 19/07/2013 04:25:15 AM 798 Views
Let's see - Martin was using drugs..... - 16/07/2013 04:56:13 PM 851 Views
Does that mean he should have been hunted down and shot? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:22:43 PM 522 Views
He wasn't, so your question is irrelevant. - 16/07/2013 05:37:27 PM 782 Views

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