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You keep insisting that Martin started the fight, giving him no chance of his own self-defense right Jay Sherman Send a noteboard - 16/07/2013 09:25:17 PM

If you are going to go on about rule of law, you have to also acknowledge that Martin had his own right of self-defense. If some random stranger followed you in his car, then followed you on foot, never identified himself to you and then started in on interrogating you for no apparent reason, what does that look like to you, the person being followed? The fact that you cannot acknowledge that Martin had his own right to self-defense is mind-boggling. There is no definitive proof that one or the other started the fight they had, but yet you keep insisting on believing the known liar's (Zimmerman's) story, why? The only thing I'm asking for is that Martin has his own right to self-defense, but you keep speaking as though Martin brought everything down on himself. For what purpose would Martin have to put himself in that situation when, for all he can tell, some "creepy-ass cracker" is following him around and making him fearful of his own safety? Neither man knows the other from Adam but only one is allowed to be fearful of his life.

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Zimmerman = Not Guilty - 14/07/2013 04:04:07 AM 1810 Views
Any charge, other than stupidity, was rediculous. *NM* - 14/07/2013 04:24:09 AM 518 Views
Stupidity+Death= Manslaughter *NM* - 14/07/2013 05:27:39 AM 486 Views
But hey... - 14/07/2013 05:35:11 AM 1028 Views
And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace - 14/07/2013 05:28:03 PM 1162 Views
Oh puhleeze... can you get any more rediculous? *NM* - 14/07/2013 07:22:52 PM 637 Views
HyogaRott baby, you are hurting me here. Can you please stop this? - 14/07/2013 11:29:00 PM 914 Views
If inline spellcheck doesn't catch it, I probably won't either. - 15/07/2013 06:29:29 AM 843 Views
you really are small minded little bigot - 15/07/2013 03:57:01 AM 934 Views
+1 - Seriously has imlad always been this nuts? *NM* - 15/07/2013 04:32:33 AM 547 Views
Your reply is partisan and obnoxious. - 15/07/2013 02:15:13 PM 939 Views
So it was okay that he was on top of a guy, pounding his head into the pavement? - 14/07/2013 06:45:17 PM 925 Views
If you can believe Zimmerman's side of the story is 100% truth, I have a bridge for sale... - 15/07/2013 05:35:08 PM 1032 Views
do you have actual evidence to support zimmerman lied? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:43:42 PM 516 Views
Sure - 16/07/2013 06:49:20 PM 821 Views
Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 07:53:27 PM 976 Views
Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 10:07:13 PM 1016 Views
Re: Sure - 17/07/2013 03:26:15 AM 952 Views
The kid decided to beat a man who had a gun and got shot for it - 15/07/2013 03:46:38 AM 910 Views
In a sane world, here is how their interaction plays out - 15/07/2013 05:44:26 PM 881 Views
Yes. And the fact that he didn't simply ask him what he was doing, tells me he was racial profiling - 15/07/2013 08:59:41 PM 872 Views
The only way that statement makes sense is if it is sarcasm - 16/07/2013 12:46:59 PM 818 Views
You are suggesting that it is better to shoot first rather than engage in diplomacy - 16/07/2013 07:05:32 PM 876 Views
And you continue to ignore all the evidence that supports the theory that Martin attacked Zimmerman - 16/07/2013 07:20:55 PM 863 Views
You are defending a known liar with a history of domestic violence - 16/07/2013 07:23:11 PM 943 Views
Look at A2K's post below - 16/07/2013 07:34:11 PM 913 Views
Actually I am not defending anyone (except the rule of law). - 16/07/2013 08:00:38 PM 872 Views
You keep insisting that Martin started the fight, giving him no chance of his own self-defense right - 16/07/2013 09:25:17 PM 840 Views
And tomorrow I get to preach about the Good Samaritan. - 14/07/2013 05:26:50 AM 1091 Views
Where's your forgiveness?? Judge not lest ye be judged. - 14/07/2013 07:10:14 PM 861 Views
Did I say a thing about Zimmerman? No. - 14/07/2013 08:44:26 PM 993 Views
Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Which neighborhood watch were you referring to? - 15/07/2013 12:46:44 AM 967 Views
Float your concept of grace in front of your priest sometime. - 15/07/2013 04:31:34 AM 840 Views
Danny... - 15/07/2013 01:32:03 PM 921 Views
You'd think the rain of venom in here would make everyone's soapbox too slippery to stand on - 15/07/2013 01:05:41 PM 882 Views
+1 *NM* - 15/07/2013 06:40:15 PM 570 Views
would that be true for most of politics as well? *NM* - 16/07/2013 12:58:33 PM 535 Views
Depends on the case, but those aren't individual life and death criminal trials - 16/07/2013 01:52:00 PM 795 Views
when the president gets involved it is safe to polotics are at play. - 16/07/2013 06:23:54 PM 855 Views
That's not an unfair remark but it justifies criticizing him, not also getting involved in the case - 16/07/2013 06:59:53 PM 866 Views
When a case shows glaring holes in the law, it should by nature cause those laws to be reconsidered - 16/07/2013 07:18:57 PM 947 Views
I'm not sure what those 'glaring holes' are, but a specific person shouldn't be needed to show them - 16/07/2013 08:18:38 PM 853 Views
It is a bit difficult to not use the case when the specificity of the case is the problem.... - 16/07/2013 11:06:59 PM 925 Views
I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 12:14:39 AM 994 Views
Re: I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 05:29:56 PM 983 Views
I think you've over-personalized this case - 17/07/2013 08:00:50 PM 906 Views
I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice - 17/07/2013 10:34:38 PM 967 Views
Re: I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice - 18/07/2013 01:39:17 AM 1106 Views
Jury instructions - 18/07/2013 04:12:29 AM 1060 Views
Jury Instructions 2 - 18/07/2013 06:22:33 PM 919 Views
I just want to comment on two points from your reply - 19/07/2013 09:47:06 PM 818 Views
I'm pretty throughly exhausted of this - 19/07/2013 10:46:22 PM 917 Views
Nice. - 16/07/2013 09:01:50 PM 1009 Views
Thanks - 16/07/2013 09:48:00 PM 843 Views
Well said. - 17/07/2013 02:25:36 PM 1008 Views
it is possible to discuss a case based on what the evidence shows - 17/07/2013 06:03:05 PM 981 Views
Of course it is possible, one just fails to see how it can serve any good end - 17/07/2013 09:43:02 PM 860 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 18/07/2013 02:08:25 AM 598 Views
That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 02:52:15 AM 900 Views
Re: That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 04:09:51 AM 1006 Views
are agree with your general concept - 18/07/2013 05:20:41 PM 1141 Views
Good. - 15/07/2013 02:11:12 PM 828 Views
Perhaps one day black people will have the same rights as whites in the US - 15/07/2013 05:30:00 PM 999 Views
Congratulations on making one of the dumbest statemets of the year. *NM* - 15/07/2013 09:00:46 PM 577 Views
You have tried retroatcively making Martin a criminal here, despite him doing nothing wrong - 15/07/2013 10:52:32 PM 882 Views
So you support attacking creepy crackers who you think are following you? - 16/07/2013 12:56:52 PM 874 Views
The law suggests that if I fear for my safety, I am justified in attacking first in self-defense - 18/07/2013 11:00:58 PM 946 Views
there is zero evidience to support that assumption - 19/07/2013 04:25:15 AM 819 Views
Let's see - Martin was using drugs..... - 16/07/2013 04:56:13 PM 870 Views
Does that mean he should have been hunted down and shot? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:22:43 PM 528 Views
He wasn't, so your question is irrelevant. - 16/07/2013 05:37:27 PM 793 Views

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