Active Users:327 Time:06/04/2025 08:41:58 PM
You are suggesting that it is better to shoot first rather than engage in diplomacy Jay Sherman Send a noteboard - 16/07/2013 07:05:32 PM

View original post
The fact Martin attacked and beat him before getting shots proves that Zimmerman was correct in not approaching and talking to Martin. The only evidence we have racial profiling it Martin’s comment that he thought Zimmerman was creepy cracker before he attacked him. Yes I know Zimmerman was following him but when did that become grounds for attacking and beating someone? People seem so eager to claiming racial profiling despite the complete lack of evidence to support and then dismiss the overwhelming evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman because he didn’t like being followed.

The US criminal justice system has a long and terrible history of judging black people, and young black men in particular, as being unworthy of the same rights afforded everyone else. Martin had every right to be walking down that street, just as Zimmerman had every right to watch him without acting. By acting (i.e. leaving his vehicle), Zimmerman initiated the conflict which ultimately took the life of Martin. By taking Zimmerman's account as factual despite the evidence otherwise, you are also suggesting that a young black male has no right to be walking in a public space without suspicion.

There is zero evidence that Zimmerman is 100% truthful, and the only other person who could tell us what happened is dead. Without a witness to refute or corroborate the story, we are only left with Zimmerman's word that the conflict happened as he told it. Ask yourself why you believe Zimmerman is telling the truth and you get to the heart of why this is a clear example of racial profiling. It is because a young black male doing nothing wrong and with every right to exist is somehow less able to defend himself against a stranger that has been suspiciously following him both in a car and on foot. Would you not fear for your own safety if someone did the same to you? Then why should Martin not have the benefit of self-defense against someone who was clearly overstepping their bounds?

Reply to message
Zimmerman = Not Guilty - 14/07/2013 04:04:07 AM 1849 Views
Any charge, other than stupidity, was rediculous. *NM* - 14/07/2013 04:24:09 AM 531 Views
Stupidity+Death= Manslaughter *NM* - 14/07/2013 05:27:39 AM 502 Views
But hey... - 14/07/2013 05:35:11 AM 1071 Views
And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace - 14/07/2013 05:28:03 PM 1201 Views
Oh puhleeze... can you get any more rediculous? *NM* - 14/07/2013 07:22:52 PM 655 Views
HyogaRott baby, you are hurting me here. Can you please stop this? - 14/07/2013 11:29:00 PM 959 Views
If inline spellcheck doesn't catch it, I probably won't either. - 15/07/2013 06:29:29 AM 910 Views
Re: And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace - 14/07/2013 07:32:26 PM 1007 Views
you really are small minded little bigot - 15/07/2013 03:57:01 AM 976 Views
+1 - Seriously has imlad always been this nuts? *NM* - 15/07/2013 04:32:33 AM 563 Views
Your reply is partisan and obnoxious. - 15/07/2013 02:15:13 PM 977 Views
So it was okay that he was on top of a guy, pounding his head into the pavement? - 14/07/2013 06:45:17 PM 941 Views
If you can believe Zimmerman's side of the story is 100% truth, I have a bridge for sale... - 15/07/2013 05:35:08 PM 1070 Views
do you have actual evidence to support zimmerman lied? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:43:42 PM 532 Views
Sure - 16/07/2013 06:49:20 PM 861 Views
Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 07:53:27 PM 1011 Views
Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 10:07:13 PM 1059 Views
Re: Sure - 17/07/2013 03:26:15 AM 998 Views
The kid decided to beat a man who had a gun and got shot for it - 15/07/2013 03:46:38 AM 965 Views
In a sane world, here is how their interaction plays out - 15/07/2013 05:44:26 PM 917 Views
Yes. And the fact that he didn't simply ask him what he was doing, tells me he was racial profiling - 15/07/2013 08:59:41 PM 914 Views
The only way that statement makes sense is if it is sarcasm - 16/07/2013 12:46:59 PM 853 Views
You are suggesting that it is better to shoot first rather than engage in diplomacy - 16/07/2013 07:05:32 PM 923 Views
And tomorrow I get to preach about the Good Samaritan. - 14/07/2013 05:26:50 AM 1130 Views
Where's your forgiveness?? Judge not lest ye be judged. - 14/07/2013 07:10:14 PM 898 Views
Did I say a thing about Zimmerman? No. - 14/07/2013 08:44:26 PM 1037 Views
Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Which neighborhood watch were you referring to? - 15/07/2013 12:46:44 AM 1018 Views
Float your concept of grace in front of your priest sometime. - 15/07/2013 04:31:34 AM 883 Views
Danny... - 15/07/2013 01:32:03 PM 945 Views
You'd think the rain of venom in here would make everyone's soapbox too slippery to stand on - 15/07/2013 01:05:41 PM 925 Views
+1 *NM* - 15/07/2013 06:40:15 PM 588 Views
would that be true for most of politics as well? *NM* - 16/07/2013 12:58:33 PM 552 Views
Depends on the case, but those aren't individual life and death criminal trials - 16/07/2013 01:52:00 PM 835 Views
when the president gets involved it is safe to polotics are at play. - 16/07/2013 06:23:54 PM 894 Views
That's not an unfair remark but it justifies criticizing him, not also getting involved in the case - 16/07/2013 06:59:53 PM 908 Views
When a case shows glaring holes in the law, it should by nature cause those laws to be reconsidered - 16/07/2013 07:18:57 PM 984 Views
I'm not sure what those 'glaring holes' are, but a specific person shouldn't be needed to show them - 16/07/2013 08:18:38 PM 892 Views
It is a bit difficult to not use the case when the specificity of the case is the problem.... - 16/07/2013 11:06:59 PM 969 Views
I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 12:14:39 AM 1041 Views
Re: I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 05:29:56 PM 1023 Views
I think you've over-personalized this case - 17/07/2013 08:00:50 PM 984 Views
I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice - 17/07/2013 10:34:38 PM 1009 Views
Re: I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice - 18/07/2013 01:39:17 AM 1152 Views
Jury instructions - 18/07/2013 04:12:29 AM 1102 Views
Jury Instructions 2 - 18/07/2013 06:22:33 PM 958 Views
I just want to comment on two points from your reply - 19/07/2013 09:47:06 PM 855 Views
I'm pretty throughly exhausted of this - 19/07/2013 10:46:22 PM 957 Views
Nice. - 16/07/2013 09:01:50 PM 1056 Views
Thanks - 16/07/2013 09:48:00 PM 885 Views
Well said. - 17/07/2013 02:25:36 PM 1053 Views
it is possible to discuss a case based on what the evidence shows - 17/07/2013 06:03:05 PM 1006 Views
Of course it is possible, one just fails to see how it can serve any good end - 17/07/2013 09:43:02 PM 902 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 18/07/2013 02:08:25 AM 615 Views
That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 02:52:15 AM 941 Views
Re: That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 04:09:51 AM 1048 Views
are agree with your general concept - 18/07/2013 05:20:41 PM 1188 Views
Good. - 15/07/2013 02:11:12 PM 872 Views
Perhaps one day black people will have the same rights as whites in the US - 15/07/2013 05:30:00 PM 1039 Views
Congratulations on making one of the dumbest statemets of the year. *NM* - 15/07/2013 09:00:46 PM 596 Views
You have tried retroatcively making Martin a criminal here, despite him doing nothing wrong - 15/07/2013 10:52:32 PM 926 Views
So you support attacking creepy crackers who you think are following you? - 16/07/2013 12:56:52 PM 915 Views
The law suggests that if I fear for my safety, I am justified in attacking first in self-defense - 18/07/2013 11:00:58 PM 1010 Views
there is zero evidience to support that assumption - 19/07/2013 04:25:15 AM 857 Views
Let's see - Martin was using drugs..... - 16/07/2013 04:56:13 PM 905 Views
Does that mean he should have been hunted down and shot? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:22:43 PM 548 Views
He wasn't, so your question is irrelevant. - 16/07/2013 05:37:27 PM 838 Views

Reply to Message