do you have actual evidence to support zimmerman lied? *NM*
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 16/07/2013 05:43:42 PM
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View original postIf someone should happen to follow Zimmerman around with a gun, provoke him, chase him, and otherwise harass him until he retaliates, they now have legal precedent to kill him in self-defense, right? You can't prove any racial reasoning.
View original postYeah, self-defense is what you call it when a guy four inches taller in on top of you, beating you to death. What about John White, who walked out of his securely locked house to confront a bunch of kids making noise, even though he knew the cops were on their way? Not one kid laid a finger on him, but when he shot and killed one, he was only faced with gun charges, and pardoned of those charges as soon as his state got a governor the same race as he. The difference was, John White was black and, in a highly typical case of interracial homicide, shot a white child, so there was no racial outcry. President Bush did not point out that if he had a son, he'd look like John White's victim (and if Barack Obama had another daughter, she'd look a lot like that Jenteal idiot; she'd certainly be just as racist, given her father's propensity for interjecting himself into local scuffles on the side of the black man and her mother's thesis topic at Princeton), and every one seemed to be pretty much on the side of the homeowner getting harassed by punks. Even though said homeowner had no need to take a gun and leave his house to confront the kids.
View original postAs for the stupidity of Zimmerman, he WAS a neighborhood watch guy. There HAD been a rash of crimes in the neighborhood by black perpetrators (of which Zimmerman had been one of the victims), and at least one had been caught by concerned citizens tailing him. If Trayvon Martin had a right to be walking where he was, so did Zimmerman, who LIVED there. We don't know what happened in their confrontation, but unless you are going to presume some sort of insane scenario where Zimmerman was baiting Martin into attacking him so he could shoot, there is no logical or reasonable way you can justify Martin doing something to cause wounds to the back of Zimmerman's head.
Zimmerman = Not Guilty
14/07/2013 04:04:07 AM
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Any charge, other than stupidity, was rediculous. *NM*
14/07/2013 04:24:09 AM
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But hey...
14/07/2013 05:35:11 AM
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And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace
14/07/2013 05:28:03 PM
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Oh puhleeze... can you get any more rediculous? *NM*
14/07/2013 07:22:52 PM
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HyogaRott baby, you are hurting me here. Can you please stop this?
14/07/2013 11:29:00 PM
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Re: And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace
14/07/2013 07:32:26 PM
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So it was okay that he was on top of a guy, pounding his head into the pavement?
14/07/2013 06:45:17 PM
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If you can believe Zimmerman's side of the story is 100% truth, I have a bridge for sale...
15/07/2013 05:35:08 PM
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Silly post - following someone around is not legal justification for physical assault.
15/07/2013 12:47:54 AM
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And lying about self-defense should not be grounds for acquittal of all charges, but there you go *NM*
15/07/2013 05:43:15 PM
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I think it all really has to do with reasonable doubt
16/07/2013 01:08:24 PM
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The burden of proof should have been on the shooter to prove lethal force was necessary
16/07/2013 06:52:17 PM
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So, you prefer "guilty until proven innocent"?
16/07/2013 06:54:56 PM
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Yes, and I also eat babies for breakfast and make sure I kick at least one puppy a day *facepalm*
16/07/2013 07:13:11 PM
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Re: The burden of proof should have been on the shooter to prove lethal force was necessary
16/07/2013 07:18:36 PM
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Re: The burden of proof should have been on the shooter to prove lethal force was necessary
16/07/2013 07:21:42 PM
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Re: The burden of proof should have been on the shooter to prove lethal force was necessary
16/07/2013 07:30:39 PM
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The kid decided to beat a man who had a gun and got shot for it
15/07/2013 03:46:38 AM
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In a sane world, here is how their interaction plays out
15/07/2013 05:44:26 PM
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Yes. And the fact that he didn't simply ask him what he was doing, tells me he was racial profiling
15/07/2013 08:59:41 PM
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The only way that statement makes sense is if it is sarcasm
16/07/2013 12:46:59 PM
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You are suggesting that it is better to shoot first rather than engage in diplomacy
16/07/2013 07:05:32 PM
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And you continue to ignore all the evidence that supports the theory that Martin attacked Zimmerman
16/07/2013 07:20:55 PM
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You are defending a known liar with a history of domestic violence
16/07/2013 07:23:11 PM
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Actually I am not defending anyone (except the rule of law).
16/07/2013 08:00:38 PM
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You keep insisting that Martin started the fight, giving him no chance of his own self-defense right
16/07/2013 09:25:17 PM
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Please, Please, PLEASE actually read the laws of Florida that I have posted a link to for you.
16/07/2013 09:41:15 PM
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I have read the laws you linked to, I fail to see how they cannot also apply to Martin
16/07/2013 10:40:46 PM
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You failed to identify any laws. *NM*
16/07/2013 10:49:20 PM
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I saved it for the reply to Isaac below if you really need it *NM*
16/07/2013 11:07:53 PM
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Re: I have read the laws you linked to, I fail to see how they cannot also apply to Martin
17/07/2013 03:41:58 AM
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And tomorrow I get to preach about the Good Samaritan.
14/07/2013 05:26:50 AM
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Where's your forgiveness?? Judge not lest ye be judged.
14/07/2013 07:10:14 PM
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Did I say a thing about Zimmerman? No.
14/07/2013 08:44:26 PM
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Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Which neighborhood watch were you referring to?
15/07/2013 12:46:44 AM
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Float your concept of grace in front of your priest sometime.
15/07/2013 04:31:34 AM
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What concept of grace is that? Where did I discuss anything remotely touching on grace?
19/07/2013 12:10:12 PM
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Time to climb to the roof of the city morgue and light the Dexter signal. *NM*
15/07/2013 04:41:35 AM
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You'd think the rain of venom in here would make everyone's soapbox too slippery to stand on
15/07/2013 01:05:41 PM
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would that be true for most of politics as well? *NM*
16/07/2013 12:58:33 PM
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Depends on the case, but those aren't individual life and death criminal trials
16/07/2013 01:52:00 PM
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when the president gets involved it is safe to polotics are at play.
16/07/2013 06:23:54 PM
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That's not an unfair remark but it justifies criticizing him, not also getting involved in the case
16/07/2013 06:59:53 PM
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When a case shows glaring holes in the law, it should by nature cause those laws to be reconsidered
16/07/2013 07:18:57 PM
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I'm not sure what those 'glaring holes' are, but a specific person shouldn't be needed to show them
16/07/2013 08:18:38 PM
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To assist you with Isaac's request, here is the link to the Laws in Florida
16/07/2013 08:23:14 PM
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It is a bit difficult to not use the case when the specificity of the case is the problem....
16/07/2013 11:06:59 PM
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I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so
17/07/2013 12:14:39 AM
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Re: I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so
17/07/2013 05:29:56 PM
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You are asking for what already exists, and are/were in force at the time.
17/07/2013 06:33:54 PM
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I think you've over-personalized this case
17/07/2013 08:00:50 PM
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I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice
17/07/2013 10:34:38 PM
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Re: I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice
18/07/2013 01:39:17 AM
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Jury Instruction 3 - w/ link to pdf of model FL jury instruction for all criminal cases
18/07/2013 09:51:47 PM
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Your logical error is failing to realize that me following you does NOT meet the statutes
17/07/2013 04:01:52 AM
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Why do you insist on stating things that have been demonstrated to be false?
16/07/2013 08:19:08 PM
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Well said.
17/07/2013 02:25:36 PM
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it is possible to discuss a case based on what the evidence shows
17/07/2013 06:03:05 PM
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Of course it is possible, one just fails to see how it can serve any good end
17/07/2013 09:43:02 PM
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That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you
18/07/2013 02:52:15 AM
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Re: That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you
18/07/2013 04:09:51 AM
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are agree with your general concept
18/07/2013 05:20:41 PM
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My concern all along has been what the laws actually are, and to clear the air of the BS.
18/07/2013 06:06:21 PM
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/trayvon_martin_verdict_racism_hat
18/07/2013 02:04:36 AM
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Perhaps one day black people will have the same rights as whites in the US
15/07/2013 05:30:00 PM
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Congratulations on making one of the dumbest statemets of the year. *NM*
15/07/2013 09:00:46 PM
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You have tried retroatcively making Martin a criminal here, despite him doing nothing wrong
15/07/2013 10:52:32 PM
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I really shouldn't bother but I will try one more time to introduce you to rational thought.
16/07/2013 05:31:12 AM
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So you support attacking creepy crackers who you think are following you?
16/07/2013 12:56:52 PM
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The law suggests that if I fear for my safety, I am justified in attacking first in self-defense
18/07/2013 11:00:58 PM
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there is zero evidience to support that assumption
19/07/2013 04:25:15 AM
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There is zero evidence to support Zimmerman's version of their initial encounter
19/07/2013 09:32:24 PM
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Sorry but you have your facts wrong Martin was identified as the person top
20/07/2013 01:32:00 AM
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Let's see - Martin was using drugs.....
16/07/2013 04:56:13 PM
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Funny how black victims are rare enough to be famous.
19/07/2013 12:24:12 PM
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Please cite the legal statutes Trayvon Martin violated before Zimmerman approached him
19/07/2013 10:24:59 PM
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Do you have any actual facts to prove Zimmerman mad his story or is it pure bias?
20/07/2013 04:21:55 PM
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