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I really shouldn't bother but I will try one more time to introduce you to rational thought. HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 16/07/2013 05:31:12 AM

We covered the self defense laws rather thoroughly in the other thread, so I will simply refer you back to them, and offer a summation.

Following Martin for any, or no, reason, does not preclude Zimmerman from claiming self defense. Being followed by Zimmerman did not give Martin a LEGAL right to initiate a physical confrontation.

There is absolutely no reliable evidence that Zimmerman initiated the physical confrontation. There is physical evidence that suggests that Martin initiated the physical confrontation.

Martin not having a "weapon" or being "unarmed" is not relevant because nobody ever claimed he utilized any weapon other than his body. A human body, even one without physical training, can be a deadly weapon (are you really so far gone as to need cited examples of this, or are you willing to be at least that logical?).

Your personal feelings of what should have happens, or hypothesis (you have no proof, nor any way to test them so even calling them a hypothesis is a stretch) is about as useful as used toilet paper.

The US legal system is based upon a presumption of innocence, the state must PROVE you committed a crime, they could not do so even though they violated several rules of law to attempt to do so, and are facing various sanctions because of it.

Your assertions about Martin, and your silly accusations about a smear campaign about him are laughable. There is plenty of documentation about what sort of person he was, and your attempt to portray him as some sort of angelic child makes the rest of your arguments worthless.

As for your pathetic (and yes I used the term specifically) ranting about the injustice for blacks, and how this is hunting season, you really just need to stop. If I must, I and many others can cite plenty of instances of this exact situation with the "race" reversed. Hell there is one going on right now that is even in Florida, but you aren't seeing any media attention because the shooter is a black female, and the dead guy is white.

Furthermore, you have no idea what my "race" is (I prefer human), nor what my life experiences have been, so step down from your high horse.

Legal is not, never has been, never will be, nor should it ever be synonymous with Logic. Nor is it supposed to be "fair" to the individual. Laws are crafted for the group. Your obvious desire to have Zimmerman lynched is beyond dumb because what you want to take away from Zimmerman, cause you apparently don't like him, is you or someone you love may well need tomorrow.

Both Martin and Zimmerman make rash, and stupid decisions that night. As a result Martin is dead, and Zimmerman will have to live with that horror the rest of his life. None of this changes the fact that Zimmerman's actions were not criminal. Additionally, his actions would not have been criminal in ANY of the 50 states, nor under any federal law.

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Zimmerman = Not Guilty - 14/07/2013 04:04:07 AM 1850 Views
Any charge, other than stupidity, was rediculous. *NM* - 14/07/2013 04:24:09 AM 532 Views
Stupidity+Death= Manslaughter *NM* - 14/07/2013 05:27:39 AM 503 Views
But hey... - 14/07/2013 05:35:11 AM 1072 Views
And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace - 14/07/2013 05:28:03 PM 1202 Views
Oh puhleeze... can you get any more rediculous? *NM* - 14/07/2013 07:22:52 PM 656 Views
HyogaRott baby, you are hurting me here. Can you please stop this? - 14/07/2013 11:29:00 PM 959 Views
If inline spellcheck doesn't catch it, I probably won't either. - 15/07/2013 06:29:29 AM 910 Views
Re: And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace - 14/07/2013 07:32:26 PM 1008 Views
you really are small minded little bigot - 15/07/2013 03:57:01 AM 977 Views
+1 - Seriously has imlad always been this nuts? *NM* - 15/07/2013 04:32:33 AM 564 Views
Your reply is partisan and obnoxious. - 15/07/2013 02:15:13 PM 978 Views
So it was okay that he was on top of a guy, pounding his head into the pavement? - 14/07/2013 06:45:17 PM 942 Views
If you can believe Zimmerman's side of the story is 100% truth, I have a bridge for sale... - 15/07/2013 05:35:08 PM 1071 Views
do you have actual evidence to support zimmerman lied? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:43:42 PM 533 Views
Sure - 16/07/2013 06:49:20 PM 861 Views
Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 07:53:27 PM 1012 Views
Re: Sure - 16/07/2013 10:07:13 PM 1059 Views
Re: Sure - 17/07/2013 03:26:15 AM 998 Views
The kid decided to beat a man who had a gun and got shot for it - 15/07/2013 03:46:38 AM 965 Views
In a sane world, here is how their interaction plays out - 15/07/2013 05:44:26 PM 918 Views
Yes. And the fact that he didn't simply ask him what he was doing, tells me he was racial profiling - 15/07/2013 08:59:41 PM 915 Views
The only way that statement makes sense is if it is sarcasm - 16/07/2013 12:46:59 PM 853 Views
And tomorrow I get to preach about the Good Samaritan. - 14/07/2013 05:26:50 AM 1131 Views
Where's your forgiveness?? Judge not lest ye be judged. - 14/07/2013 07:10:14 PM 898 Views
Did I say a thing about Zimmerman? No. - 14/07/2013 08:44:26 PM 1038 Views
Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Which neighborhood watch were you referring to? - 15/07/2013 12:46:44 AM 1018 Views
Float your concept of grace in front of your priest sometime. - 15/07/2013 04:31:34 AM 884 Views
Danny... - 15/07/2013 01:32:03 PM 945 Views
You'd think the rain of venom in here would make everyone's soapbox too slippery to stand on - 15/07/2013 01:05:41 PM 925 Views
+1 *NM* - 15/07/2013 06:40:15 PM 589 Views
would that be true for most of politics as well? *NM* - 16/07/2013 12:58:33 PM 552 Views
Depends on the case, but those aren't individual life and death criminal trials - 16/07/2013 01:52:00 PM 836 Views
when the president gets involved it is safe to polotics are at play. - 16/07/2013 06:23:54 PM 895 Views
That's not an unfair remark but it justifies criticizing him, not also getting involved in the case - 16/07/2013 06:59:53 PM 909 Views
When a case shows glaring holes in the law, it should by nature cause those laws to be reconsidered - 16/07/2013 07:18:57 PM 984 Views
I'm not sure what those 'glaring holes' are, but a specific person shouldn't be needed to show them - 16/07/2013 08:18:38 PM 893 Views
It is a bit difficult to not use the case when the specificity of the case is the problem.... - 16/07/2013 11:06:59 PM 969 Views
I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 12:14:39 AM 1042 Views
Re: I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so - 17/07/2013 05:29:56 PM 1023 Views
I think you've over-personalized this case - 17/07/2013 08:00:50 PM 985 Views
I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice - 17/07/2013 10:34:38 PM 1010 Views
Re: I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice - 18/07/2013 01:39:17 AM 1153 Views
Jury instructions - 18/07/2013 04:12:29 AM 1102 Views
Jury Instructions 2 - 18/07/2013 06:22:33 PM 959 Views
I just want to comment on two points from your reply - 19/07/2013 09:47:06 PM 856 Views
I'm pretty throughly exhausted of this - 19/07/2013 10:46:22 PM 958 Views
Nice. - 16/07/2013 09:01:50 PM 1057 Views
Thanks - 16/07/2013 09:48:00 PM 886 Views
Well said. - 17/07/2013 02:25:36 PM 1053 Views
it is possible to discuss a case based on what the evidence shows - 17/07/2013 06:03:05 PM 1006 Views
Of course it is possible, one just fails to see how it can serve any good end - 17/07/2013 09:43:02 PM 902 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 18/07/2013 02:08:25 AM 616 Views
That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 02:52:15 AM 942 Views
Re: That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you - 18/07/2013 04:09:51 AM 1049 Views
are agree with your general concept - 18/07/2013 05:20:41 PM 1189 Views
Good. - 15/07/2013 02:11:12 PM 873 Views
Perhaps one day black people will have the same rights as whites in the US - 15/07/2013 05:30:00 PM 1040 Views
Congratulations on making one of the dumbest statemets of the year. *NM* - 15/07/2013 09:00:46 PM 597 Views
You have tried retroatcively making Martin a criminal here, despite him doing nothing wrong - 15/07/2013 10:52:32 PM 927 Views
I really shouldn't bother but I will try one more time to introduce you to rational thought. - 16/07/2013 05:31:12 AM 825 Views
So you support attacking creepy crackers who you think are following you? - 16/07/2013 12:56:52 PM 916 Views
The law suggests that if I fear for my safety, I am justified in attacking first in self-defense - 18/07/2013 11:00:58 PM 1011 Views
there is zero evidience to support that assumption - 19/07/2013 04:25:15 AM 857 Views
Let's see - Martin was using drugs..... - 16/07/2013 04:56:13 PM 906 Views
Does that mean he should have been hunted down and shot? *NM* - 16/07/2013 05:22:43 PM 549 Views
He wasn't, so your question is irrelevant. - 16/07/2013 05:37:27 PM 839 Views

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