In a sane world, here is how their interaction plays out
Jay Sherman Send a noteboard - 15/07/2013 05:44:26 PM
GZ, after following Trayvon Martin in his car: "Hey, I'm from the neighborhood watch, are you lost?"
Trayvon: "No, I'm going back to my dad's house up the street here."
GZ: "Who is your father?"
Trayvon: "Tracy Martin. His house is right there."
GZ: "Hang on here just a second...."
GZ picks up his mobile, dials Tracy Martin's number: "Hello Mr. Martin? I have a young man here who says he's your son."
Tracy Martin: "Yes, my son went to the store and should be back soon. Is he in trouble?"
GZ: "No, I didn't recognize him and you know we've had some break-ins recently."
Tracy: "Thanks for your concern, but if you could send him home I'd appreciate it."
GZ to Trayvon: "Sorry for the hassle. Bye!"
The problem comes from having a mentality that says that owning and using a gun is the solution, rather than direct engagement with the person. Simply asking Martin what he's doing would have completely avoided a situation that resulted in a teenager's unnecessary death.
Zimmerman = Not Guilty
- 14/07/2013 04:04:07 AM
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Any charge, other than stupidity, was rediculous. *NM*
- 14/07/2013 04:24:09 AM
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But hey...
- 14/07/2013 05:35:11 AM
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And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace
- 14/07/2013 05:28:03 PM
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Oh puhleeze... can you get any more rediculous? *NM*
- 14/07/2013 07:22:52 PM
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HyogaRott baby, you are hurting me here. Can you please stop this?
- 14/07/2013 11:29:00 PM
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Re: And THAT is the scary precendent this case sets for the populace
- 14/07/2013 07:32:26 PM
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So it was okay that he was on top of a guy, pounding his head into the pavement?
- 14/07/2013 06:45:17 PM
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If you can believe Zimmerman's side of the story is 100% truth, I have a bridge for sale...
- 15/07/2013 05:35:08 PM
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Silly post - following someone around is not legal justification for physical assault.
- 15/07/2013 12:47:54 AM
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And lying about self-defense should not be grounds for acquittal of all charges, but there you go *NM*
- 15/07/2013 05:43:15 PM
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I think it all really has to do with reasonable doubt
- 16/07/2013 01:08:24 PM
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The burden of proof should have been on the shooter to prove lethal force was necessary
- 16/07/2013 06:52:17 PM
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So, you prefer "guilty until proven innocent"?
- 16/07/2013 06:54:56 PM
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Yes, and I also eat babies for breakfast and make sure I kick at least one puppy a day *facepalm*
- 16/07/2013 07:13:11 PM
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Re: The burden of proof should have been on the shooter to prove lethal force was necessary
- 16/07/2013 07:18:36 PM
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Re: The burden of proof should have been on the shooter to prove lethal force was necessary
- 16/07/2013 07:21:42 PM
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Re: The burden of proof should have been on the shooter to prove lethal force was necessary
- 16/07/2013 07:30:39 PM
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The kid decided to beat a man who had a gun and got shot for it
- 15/07/2013 03:46:38 AM
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In a sane world, here is how their interaction plays out
- 15/07/2013 05:44:26 PM
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Yes. And the fact that he didn't simply ask him what he was doing, tells me he was racial profiling
- 15/07/2013 08:59:41 PM
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The only way that statement makes sense is if it is sarcasm
- 16/07/2013 12:46:59 PM
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You are suggesting that it is better to shoot first rather than engage in diplomacy
- 16/07/2013 07:05:32 PM
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And you continue to ignore all the evidence that supports the theory that Martin attacked Zimmerman
- 16/07/2013 07:20:55 PM
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You are defending a known liar with a history of domestic violence
- 16/07/2013 07:23:11 PM
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Actually I am not defending anyone (except the rule of law).
- 16/07/2013 08:00:38 PM
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You keep insisting that Martin started the fight, giving him no chance of his own self-defense right
- 16/07/2013 09:25:17 PM
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Please, Please, PLEASE actually read the laws of Florida that I have posted a link to for you.
- 16/07/2013 09:41:15 PM
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I have read the laws you linked to, I fail to see how they cannot also apply to Martin
- 16/07/2013 10:40:46 PM
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You failed to identify any laws. *NM*
- 16/07/2013 10:49:20 PM
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I saved it for the reply to Isaac below if you really need it *NM*
- 16/07/2013 11:07:53 PM
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Re: I have read the laws you linked to, I fail to see how they cannot also apply to Martin
- 17/07/2013 03:41:58 AM
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And tomorrow I get to preach about the Good Samaritan.
- 14/07/2013 05:26:50 AM
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Where's your forgiveness?? Judge not lest ye be judged.
- 14/07/2013 07:10:14 PM
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Did I say a thing about Zimmerman? No.
- 14/07/2013 08:44:26 PM
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Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Which neighborhood watch were you referring to?
- 15/07/2013 12:46:44 AM
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Float your concept of grace in front of your priest sometime.
- 15/07/2013 04:31:34 AM
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What concept of grace is that? Where did I discuss anything remotely touching on grace?
- 19/07/2013 12:10:12 PM
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Time to climb to the roof of the city morgue and light the Dexter signal. *NM*
- 15/07/2013 04:41:35 AM
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You'd think the rain of venom in here would make everyone's soapbox too slippery to stand on
- 15/07/2013 01:05:41 PM
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would that be true for most of politics as well? *NM*
- 16/07/2013 12:58:33 PM
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Depends on the case, but those aren't individual life and death criminal trials
- 16/07/2013 01:52:00 PM
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when the president gets involved it is safe to polotics are at play.
- 16/07/2013 06:23:54 PM
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That's not an unfair remark but it justifies criticizing him, not also getting involved in the case
- 16/07/2013 06:59:53 PM
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When a case shows glaring holes in the law, it should by nature cause those laws to be reconsidered
- 16/07/2013 07:18:57 PM
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I'm not sure what those 'glaring holes' are, but a specific person shouldn't be needed to show them
- 16/07/2013 08:18:38 PM
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To assist you with Isaac's request, here is the link to the Laws in Florida
- 16/07/2013 08:23:14 PM
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It is a bit difficult to not use the case when the specificity of the case is the problem....
- 16/07/2013 11:06:59 PM
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I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so
- 17/07/2013 12:14:39 AM
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Re: I sympathize with that but I think it remains a moral necessity to do so
- 17/07/2013 05:29:56 PM
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You are asking for what already exists, and are/were in force at the time.
- 17/07/2013 06:33:54 PM
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I think you've over-personalized this case
- 17/07/2013 08:00:50 PM
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I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice
- 17/07/2013 10:34:38 PM
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Re: I think this case is simply the closest example at hand of a perceived lack of justice
- 18/07/2013 01:39:17 AM
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Jury Instruction 3 - w/ link to pdf of model FL jury instruction for all criminal cases
- 18/07/2013 09:51:47 PM
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Your logical error is failing to realize that me following you does NOT meet the statutes
- 17/07/2013 04:01:52 AM
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Why do you insist on stating things that have been demonstrated to be false?
- 16/07/2013 08:19:08 PM
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Well said.
- 17/07/2013 02:25:36 PM
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it is possible to discuss a case based on what the evidence shows
- 17/07/2013 06:03:05 PM
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Of course it is possible, one just fails to see how it can serve any good end
- 17/07/2013 09:43:02 PM
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That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you
- 18/07/2013 02:52:15 AM
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Re: That just brings us full circle to my orignal reply to you
- 18/07/2013 04:09:51 AM
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are agree with your general concept
- 18/07/2013 05:20:41 PM
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My concern all along has been what the laws actually are, and to clear the air of the BS.
- 18/07/2013 06:06:21 PM
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/trayvon_martin_verdict_racism_hat
- 18/07/2013 02:04:36 AM
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Perhaps one day black people will have the same rights as whites in the US
- 15/07/2013 05:30:00 PM
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Congratulations on making one of the dumbest statemets of the year. *NM*
- 15/07/2013 09:00:46 PM
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You have tried retroatcively making Martin a criminal here, despite him doing nothing wrong
- 15/07/2013 10:52:32 PM
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I really shouldn't bother but I will try one more time to introduce you to rational thought.
- 16/07/2013 05:31:12 AM
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So you support attacking creepy crackers who you think are following you?
- 16/07/2013 12:56:52 PM
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The law suggests that if I fear for my safety, I am justified in attacking first in self-defense
- 18/07/2013 11:00:58 PM
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there is zero evidience to support that assumption
- 19/07/2013 04:25:15 AM
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There is zero evidence to support Zimmerman's version of their initial encounter
- 19/07/2013 09:32:24 PM
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Sorry but you have your facts wrong Martin was identified as the person top
- 20/07/2013 01:32:00 AM
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Let's see - Martin was using drugs.....
- 16/07/2013 04:56:13 PM
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Funny how black victims are rare enough to be famous.
- 19/07/2013 12:24:12 PM
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Please cite the legal statutes Trayvon Martin violated before Zimmerman approached him
- 19/07/2013 10:24:59 PM
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Do you have any actual facts to prove Zimmerman mad his story or is it pure bias?
- 20/07/2013 04:21:55 PM
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