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I am having a hard time believing that you can justifiably kill in a fight you started and lost Jay Sherman Send a noteboard - 11/07/2013 09:51:00 PM

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Additionally, though it is an incredibly tough (thought not impossible) position to take and defend in court, person A can illegally assault person B, get physically pummled by B, and then shoot them in self defense. You can't make a "Stand your Ground" argument (and be shielded from civil liability) but you can make a justifiable homicide criminal defense (think joe schmo attacks someone who holds 9th degree black belt in 15 different arts and the black belt won't stop hitting him after joe is defeseless with debilitating injuries).


You will have to cite some cases to prove this point you are trying to make. In most instances, if A starts a fight with B and B pummels A within an inch of their life, A cannot claim self-defense when A was the aggressor. If A did not want to lose the fight, A should not have started it, and I am sure most juries would see it the same way too.

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Looks like Zimmerman is going to be acquitted..... - 09/07/2013 08:54:18 PM 1245 Views
I've figured this since the first week of testamony - 09/07/2013 09:06:59 PM 899 Views
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Excellent response, you covered everything I would have wanted to. *NM* - 10/07/2013 06:48:15 PM 317 Views
Thanks *NM* - 11/07/2013 01:35:15 AM 257 Views
Nutty reply by you as usual.....but..... - 09/07/2013 10:36:45 PM 708 Views
coming from your side of the aisle, I take that as a compliment. :-) - 11/07/2013 12:18:07 AM 856 Views
All right, let's talk about Yoda, this so-called 'wise' Jedi Grandmaster - 11/07/2013 01:34:57 AM 594 Views
Yep that Yoda. - 11/07/2013 02:26:03 AM 749 Views
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The prosecution has been terrible in this case. It reminds me of the OJ prosecution. - 10/07/2013 10:58:50 PM 579 Views
When one person is on top of another beating him up..... - 11/07/2013 04:22:02 AM 637 Views
As a person who has been trying not to follow the case - 11/07/2013 04:07:01 PM 639 Views
Yeah, but you are forgetting something rather important - 11/07/2013 06:41:54 PM 670 Views
I am sorry but that is not quite true - 11/07/2013 07:10:19 PM 676 Views
Go review the timeline it is available online. *NM* - 11/07/2013 07:22:43 PM 249 Views
I am having a hard time believing that you can justifiably kill in a fight you started and lost - 11/07/2013 09:51:00 PM 551 Views
There is no call for self-defense for a fight you initiated yourself - 11/07/2013 06:34:46 PM 649 Views
Once again, following someone doesn't justify assault. - 11/07/2013 07:34:09 PM 539 Views
Thank god the perpetrator got shot - 11/07/2013 07:48:12 PM 594 Views
And once again, when did Zimmerman identify himself as the neighbourhood watchman? - 11/07/2013 08:59:28 PM 627 Views
He was under no legal obligation to do so. - 12/07/2013 01:39:45 AM 607 Views
He was also under no legal obligation to follow Martin, despite being neighbourhood watchman - 12/07/2013 05:15:00 PM 756 Views
Except that there is exactly zero evidence to support your scenario. - 12/07/2013 06:00:05 PM 674 Views
If you don't care one way or the other, why are you arguing so strongly for acquittal? - 12/07/2013 10:06:00 PM 589 Views
You covered several areas... - 12/07/2013 11:28:18 PM 611 Views
A couple of points... - 13/07/2013 12:15:47 AM 661 Views
I have to disagree about the manslaughter - 13/07/2013 12:45:32 AM 546 Views

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