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*sigh* Larry Send a noteboard - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM

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Islam is a religion that preaches violence (from its leaders all the way down to the masses). It is very different that other religions.

Sorry, I know this makes you feel yucky as a liberal, but it is true nevertheless.


Religions aren't monolithic entities. Take Christianity for example. Tens of thousands of denominations, with several viewing other branches with great contempt, if not an outright wish for their dissolution. Same with Islam. No singular body, just various interpretations of the five pillars and others.

Islam, as practiced in SE Asia, differs significantly from that of East Africa and that in turn differs from that of the Arab-speaking lands. Same goes with Christianity in those regions. That you see it as monolithic is very telling.

Almost as telling as you continually making the mistake of thinking that I am "liberal." To me, liberals are mostly upper-middle class whites who make half-hearted gestures toward decrying the excesses of corporate capitalism while they proceed to benefit from privileged access to resources. I favor a preferably non-violent overthrow of current political-social-economic systems and a devolution toward syndicalism. Nothing "liberal" about that

Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM 2813 Views
Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM* - 23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM 856 Views
Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM* - 23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM 768 Views
Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM* - 23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM 841 Views
Where does Christianity call for violence? - 23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM 1321 Views
Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions. - 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM 1411 Views
The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM* - 23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM 782 Views
FALSE! - 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM 1423 Views
*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old.. - 24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM 1381 Views
All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world. - 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM 1594 Views
Sorry, you are wrong. - 28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM 1394 Views
No. The New Covenant SUPPLEMENTS, not supplants, the Old. - 12/08/2013 02:45:55 AM 1678 Views
Ok....and? - 23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM 1253 Views
You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM* - 23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM 826 Views
Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that... - 23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM 1322 Views
The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM* - 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM 870 Views
Oh, boo hoo.... - 24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM 1388 Views
LOL. - 24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM 1329 Views
Violence.... - 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM 1339 Views
Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable. - 24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM 1185 Views
You are something... - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 1252 Views
Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM* - 24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM 842 Views
Because children are more behaved now.... - 24/05/2013 06:21:43 PM 1242 Views
I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk' - 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM 1329 Views
Yes. - 24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM 1245 Views
Re: Yes. - 25/05/2013 12:22:56 AM 1292 Views
You know better than that. - 25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM 1312 Views
I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1393 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 771 Views
Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way - 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM 1268 Views
... ? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:58:43 PM 811 Views
I couldn't remember the code for *NM* - 25/05/2013 07:57:48 PM 763 Views
I wouldn't belong to any other kind of religion. - 25/05/2013 01:21:45 AM 1284 Views
And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 1203 Views
In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM 1359 Views
Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1288 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1307 Views
Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1386 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1403 Views
No, it actaully does not. - 23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM 1381 Views
Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 1189 Views
Exactly - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1310 Views
Couple of things - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1630 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1469 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1329 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1313 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1333 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 1189 Views
That's a shame. - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 1131 Views
Re: That's a shame. - 25/05/2013 02:25:31 AM 1220 Views
Re: That's a shame. - 25/05/2013 12:17:13 PM 1147 Views
Sure, I'll bite. - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1328 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 1238 Views
I hope you like black and white. - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 1178 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 1261 Views
I think I must have confused you. - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 1145 Views
I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making. - 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM 1239 Views
Not really - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 1263 Views
Yawn. Bored now. - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 1189 Views
whatever *NM* - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 709 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1505 Views
Re: No, it actaully does not. - 24/05/2013 02:29:04 AM 1373 Views
Now let's not start with bullshit here - 23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM 1596 Views
Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 1173 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1306 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 1274 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1417 Views
My thoughts exactly. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:13:18 AM 714 Views
I agree. *NM* - 24/05/2013 12:05:46 PM 776 Views
Do you think that it will truly happen? - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1375 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 1235 Views
Oh, so its our fault... - 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM 1262 Views
It's always our fault *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 905 Views
In general, I agree - 24/05/2013 09:01:53 PM 1403 Views
That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 1250 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 834 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1334 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 1184 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1384 Views
Exactly. - 25/05/2013 06:26:57 AM 1294 Views
Hyperbole? - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 1135 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1399 Views
No, I really don't think so. - 25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM 1194 Views
*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 1186 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1360 Views
It's accurate. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:25:04 PM 792 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 1244 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1367 Views
Hm - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1307 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1329 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1287 Views
That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM* - 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM 773 Views
No - 26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM 1330 Views
Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1292 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1265 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 825 Views
I already knew - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 1217 Views
No. - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 1240 Views
What a load of bullshit. - 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM 1246 Views
This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1396 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1377 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 1219 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1333 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 751 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1257 Views
Well yes. - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 1217 Views
I would prefer to say that - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1426 Views
Of course you would. - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1336 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1400 Views
Ok. - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1401 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1630 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1476 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1345 Views
Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM 1313 Views
His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 813 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 744 Views
Statistically - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1397 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1368 Views
Hardly any - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1492 Views
I think probably not. - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1277 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 738 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 730 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 721 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 1201 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 768 Views
Yes, he did. - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 1259 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 760 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 1192 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1292 Views
You mean like this? - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1380 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 1198 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 760 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1283 Views
Yes it does. - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1275 Views
*sigh* - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 1159 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 1160 Views
no but they do tell a story - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 1120 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1307 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 773 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1443 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 1986 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1335 Views
Just as a little aside - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 1207 Views
Ever helpful. - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1403 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 1946 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1367 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 1943 Views
I'm having warm feelings. - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1364 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 1781 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1589 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 1027 Views
How much did you miss it, really? - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1295 Views

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