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*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* ßelals Girl Send a noteboard - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM

I do see your points that you've made, but seeing as how you are bound and determined not to see any of mine because the wording of both Ghavrel's and my statements can be nitpicked away and therefore the broader implications ignored, there doesn't seem to be much point in continuing. You disagree and I get that. I'm frustrated and I hope you at least get that.

Have a nice day and all that.

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Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM 2623 Views
Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM* - 23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM 754 Views
Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM* - 23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM 662 Views
Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM* - 23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM 732 Views
Where does Christianity call for violence? - 23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM 1145 Views
Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions. - 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM 1208 Views
The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM* - 23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM 683 Views
FALSE! - 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM 1247 Views
*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old.. - 24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM 1197 Views
All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world. - 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM 1356 Views
Sorry, you are wrong. - 28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM 1204 Views
No. The New Covenant SUPPLEMENTS, not supplants, the Old. - 12/08/2013 02:45:55 AM 1507 Views
Ok....and? - 23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM 1074 Views
You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM* - 23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM 717 Views
Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that... - 23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM 1142 Views
The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM* - 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM 768 Views
Oh, boo hoo.... - 24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM 1211 Views
LOL. - 24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM 1147 Views
Violence.... - 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM 1126 Views
Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable. - 24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM 1002 Views
You are something... - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 1076 Views
Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM* - 24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM 710 Views
Because children are more behaved now.... - 24/05/2013 06:21:43 PM 1054 Views
I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk' - 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM 1145 Views
Yes. - 24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM 1088 Views
Re: Yes. - 25/05/2013 12:22:56 AM 1119 Views
You know better than that. - 25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM 1122 Views
I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1228 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 668 Views
Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way - 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM 1092 Views
... ? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:58:43 PM 707 Views
I couldn't remember the code for *NM* - 25/05/2013 07:57:48 PM 663 Views
I wouldn't belong to any other kind of religion. - 25/05/2013 01:21:45 AM 1106 Views
And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 1036 Views
In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM 1190 Views
Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1123 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1129 Views
Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1208 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1226 Views
No, it actaully does not. - 23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM 1209 Views
Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 1003 Views
Exactly - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1129 Views
Couple of things - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1444 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1325 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1155 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1103 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1147 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 1017 Views
That's a shame. - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 958 Views
Re: That's a shame. - 25/05/2013 02:25:31 AM 1050 Views
Re: That's a shame. - 25/05/2013 12:17:13 PM 968 Views
Sure, I'll bite. - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1148 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 1057 Views
I hope you like black and white. - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 1004 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 1078 Views
I think I must have confused you. - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 971 Views
I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making. - 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM 1069 Views
Not really - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 1084 Views
Yawn. Bored now. - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 1012 Views
whatever *NM* - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 610 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1326 Views
Re: No, it actaully does not. - 24/05/2013 02:29:04 AM 1198 Views
Now let's not start with bullshit here - 23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM 1398 Views
Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 992 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1127 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 1081 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1238 Views
My thoughts exactly. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:13:18 AM 611 Views
I agree. *NM* - 24/05/2013 12:05:46 PM 671 Views
Do you think that it will truly happen? - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1198 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 1080 Views
Oh, so its our fault... - 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM 1090 Views
It's always our fault *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 797 Views
In general, I agree - 24/05/2013 09:01:53 PM 1224 Views
That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 1066 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 730 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1158 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 1015 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1207 Views
Exactly. - 25/05/2013 06:26:57 AM 1146 Views
Hyperbole? - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 958 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1212 Views
No, I really don't think so. - 25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM 1022 Views
*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 1018 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1164 Views
It's accurate. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:25:04 PM 680 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 1068 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1189 Views
Hm - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1148 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1152 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1130 Views
That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM* - 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM 672 Views
No - 26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM 1152 Views
Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1117 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1091 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 691 Views
I already knew - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 1054 Views
No. - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 1068 Views
What a load of bullshit. - 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM 1078 Views
This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1232 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1204 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 1053 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1144 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 650 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1092 Views
Well yes. - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 1041 Views
I would prefer to say that - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1252 Views
Of course you would. - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1156 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1220 Views
Ok. - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1235 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1440 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1308 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1166 Views
Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence? - 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM 1153 Views
His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 716 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 643 Views
Statistically - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1213 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1193 Views
Hardly any - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1329 Views
I think probably not. - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1101 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 636 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 629 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 618 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 1026 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 669 Views
Yes, he did. - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 1079 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 659 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 1010 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1154 Views
You mean like this? - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1201 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 1034 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 660 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1123 Views
Yes it does. - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1116 Views
*sigh* - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 1022 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 1000 Views
no but they do tell a story - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 944 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1127 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 673 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1284 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 1701 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1155 Views
Just as a little aside - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 1035 Views
Ever helpful. - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1227 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 1611 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1200 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 1641 Views
I'm having warm feelings. - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1189 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 1498 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1409 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 901 Views
How much did you miss it, really? - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1120 Views

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