See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM*
Anonymous2000 Send a noteboard - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM
Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently?
23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM
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Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM*
23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM
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Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM*
23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM
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Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM*
23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM
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Where does Christianity call for violence?
23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM
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Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions.
23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM
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The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM*
23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM
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FALSE!
24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM
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*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old..
24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM
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All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world.
26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM
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Sorry, you are wrong.
28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM
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...I can think of a rather larger difference. Starts with J and ends with S. *NM*
28/05/2013 11:54:28 PM
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Yeah, but not really, both religions acknowledge his existence, but differ on his role.
29/05/2013 06:00:03 PM
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Ok....and?
23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM
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You asked for an example, I gave one. I'm not here to argue with you. *NM*
26/05/2013 02:57:27 AM
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You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM*
23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM
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Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that...
23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM
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The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM*
24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM
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Oh, boo hoo....
24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM
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LOL.
24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM
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Violence....
24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM
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Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable.
24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM
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You are something...
24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM
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We've gone from "Where does Christianity call for violence?" to "not all violence is bad." *NM*
24/05/2013 09:09:30 PM
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Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM*
24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM
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I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk'
24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM
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Yes.
24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM
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Congratulations; you now understand why (or one reason) my posts tend to run long.
12/08/2013 02:53:24 AM
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You know better than that.
25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM
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I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion
25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM
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I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM*
25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM
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Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way
25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM
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And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry
23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM
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In the name of a religion that preaches violence?
23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM
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Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does.
23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM
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it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace
23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM
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No, it actaully does not.
23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM
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Couple of things
23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM
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Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link
23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM
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Well, "consistent" doesn't mean "never says things HyogaRott doesn't support."
23/05/2013 09:46:51 PM
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There is a difference between putting forth a good PR spin occasionally and making a stand.
24/05/2013 01:55:48 AM
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Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that?
23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM
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I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that...
23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM
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So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things.
24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM
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My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic
24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM
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That's a shame.
24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM
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Sure, I'll bite.
23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM
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Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets...
23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM
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I hope you like black and white.
23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM
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Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to...
24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM
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I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making.
23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM
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Now let's not start with bullshit here
23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM
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Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree.
23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM
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Excellent post - anyone that thinks all religions are the same is a complete moron.
24/05/2013 03:32:26 AM
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I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought.
24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM
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Do you think that it will truly happen?
24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM
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Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on.
24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM
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The first step on the road to recovery is aknowledging your responsibility for where you are and do
24/05/2013 06:22:42 PM
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Oh, so its our fault...
24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM
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That word "our" is interesting, don't you think?
24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM
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No, Ghavrel was doing that
25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM
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I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point.
25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM
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but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others.
25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM
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No, I really don't think so.
25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM
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*bashes face against keyboard in frustration*
25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM
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Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then.
25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM
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Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others.
25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM
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Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others.
26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM
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Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups.
25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM
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Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have
26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM
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That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM*
26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM
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No
26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM
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Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that.
26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM
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Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said?
26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM
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Just about every group has historically oppressed and BEEN oppressed at some time.
12/08/2013 04:00:54 AM
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Oh, I don't think he's talking about past "colonialism" only.
25/05/2013 06:18:11 AM
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Possibly. Some people do, to be sure, and there is some truth in that view.
25/05/2013 11:27:36 AM
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What a load of bullshit.
25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM
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I don't think you can reasonably claim to separate Salafi thought from the geopolitics of the time.
25/05/2013 10:23:03 PM
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The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers
27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM
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I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that.
27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM
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Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones)
29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM
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No, it had a bunch of opportunistic brown folks systematically dismantling it for centuries.
12/08/2013 03:43:00 AM
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Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks
26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM
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Well yes.
26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM
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I would prefer to say that
27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM
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Of course you would.
27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM
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There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11.
24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM
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Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence?
23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM
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His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM*
24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM
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Statistically
24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM
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Your solution is profiling...because it's time to *stop* thinking all folks are the same? *NM*
23/05/2013 02:36:32 PM
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I don't think we've ever encouraged people to think all folks are the same
23/05/2013 07:29:54 PM
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"Perhaps it's time to stop thinking all folks are the same?" ~A2k
23/05/2013 07:49:12 PM
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I think he's pointing to the encuragement of willful blindedness with that remark
23/05/2013 08:15:55 PM
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I think probably not.
23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM
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See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM*
24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM
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That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM*
24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM
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It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM*
24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM
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Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts.
24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM
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It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM*
24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM
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You mean like this?
24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM
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Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid
25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM
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Numbers alone do not change the validity of such
25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM
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Yes it does.
26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM
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*sigh*
26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM
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I think asking most Americans for recognition of a non-binary political paradigm is a bit much. *NM*
26/05/2013 01:16:30 AM
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UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage".
24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM
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Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently?
27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM
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Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly.
27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM
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Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly.
28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM
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Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly.
28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM
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Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly.
29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM
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