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Re: No, it actaully does not. Stephen Send a noteboard - 24/05/2013 02:29:04 AM

View original postThe IRA vs. England conflict, through often described as Catholic vs Protestant, is really a political fight between Irish loyalist/nationalists and the English.

I take massive exception to this. Catholicism is so ingrained to into Irish nationalist culture that it was dangerous for me to say in school that my grandmother is Presybterian. Catholicism IS the culture.

Similarly, I've a couple of friends from the North who are of various Protestant dominations, and I've seen them face outright hostility for mentioning it.

And on the flip side, whenever I'd go up North as a kid or a teenager it was always made abundantly clear to make sure NO ONE knew I was Catholic. It didn't matter if people knew I was from the Republic, but revealing I was Catholic was like the biggest trigger for trouble I could do.

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Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM 2929 Views
Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM 928 Views
Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM 832 Views
Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM* Ghavrel - 23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM 896 Views
Where does Christianity call for violence? Jeordam - 23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM 1422 Views
Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions. Hieshyn - 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM 1524 Views
The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM* HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM 846 Views
FALSE! Dannymac - 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM 1530 Views
*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old.. HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM 1486 Views
All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world. Hieshyn - 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM 1716 Views
Sorry, you are wrong. HyogaRott - 28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM 1518 Views
...I can think of a rather larger difference. Starts with J and ends with S. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/05/2013 11:54:28 PM 932 Views
Yeah, but not really, both religions acknowledge his existence, but differ on his role. HyogaRott - 29/05/2013 06:00:03 PM 1507 Views
Net result: All of God's children can enter into Heaven. Hieshyn - 30/05/2013 05:26:20 PM 1732 Views
No. The New Covenant SUPPLEMENTS, not supplants, the Old. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:45:55 AM 1801 Views
Ok....and? Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM 1369 Views
You asked for an example, I gave one. I'm not here to argue with you. *NM* Hieshyn - 26/05/2013 02:57:27 AM 861 Views
You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM* Isaac - 23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM 890 Views
Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that... Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM 1449 Views
The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM 922 Views
Oh, boo hoo.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM 1494 Views
LOL. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM 1428 Views
Violence.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM 1462 Views
Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM 1302 Views
You are something... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM 1370 Views
We've gone from "Where does Christianity call for violence?" to "not all violence is bad." *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 09:09:30 PM 916 Views
To be fair, that is a good journey to make. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:51:17 AM 1421 Views
Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM 892 Views
Because children are more behaved now.... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:21:43 PM 1363 Views
I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk' Isaac - 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM 1435 Views
Yes. nossy - 24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM 1369 Views
Re: Yes. Isaac - 25/05/2013 12:22:56 AM 1435 Views
Congratulations; you now understand why (or one reason) my posts tend to run long. Joel - 12/08/2013 02:53:24 AM 1640 Views
You know better than that. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM 1433 Views
I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion Isaac - 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM 1514 Views
I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM 824 Views
Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way Isaac - 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM 1392 Views
... ? *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 12:58:43 PM 874 Views
I couldn't remember the code for *NM* Isaac - 25/05/2013 07:57:48 PM 823 Views
I wouldn't belong to any other kind of religion. Cannoli - 25/05/2013 01:21:45 AM 1411 Views
And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry snoopcester - 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM 1301 Views
In the name of a religion that preaches violence? Anonymous2000 - 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM 1478 Views
Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does. Nebhead - 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM 1427 Views
it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace Fox and Ravens - 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM 1430 Views
Your argument is logically flawed Tom - 23/05/2013 02:02:33 PM 1510 Views
Re: Your argument is logically flawed Fox and Ravens - 23/05/2013 02:34:22 PM 1523 Views
No, it actaully does not. HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM 1486 Views
Maybe they will be, I don't know, KILLED for standing up Nighthawk - 23/05/2013 02:24:59 PM 1330 Views
Exactly HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 03:52:25 PM 1423 Views
Couple of things nossy - 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM 1768 Views
Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM 1584 Views
Well, "consistent" doesn't mean "never says things HyogaRott doesn't support." nossy - 23/05/2013 09:46:51 PM 1378 Views
There is a difference between putting forth a good PR spin occasionally and making a stand. HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 01:55:48 AM 1410 Views
Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that? Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM 1441 Views
I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that... Isaac - 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM 1439 Views
So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things. Legolas - 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM 1458 Views
My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic Isaac - 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM 1316 Views
That's a shame. Legolas - 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM 1275 Views
Re: That's a shame. Isaac - 25/05/2013 02:25:31 AM 1324 Views
Re: That's a shame. Legolas - 25/05/2013 12:17:13 PM 1273 Views
Sure, I'll bite. Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM 1464 Views
Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets... HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM 1357 Views
I hope you like black and white. nossy - 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM 1289 Views
Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to... HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM 1367 Views
I think I must have confused you. nossy - 24/05/2013 08:46:42 PM 1274 Views
I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making. Legolas - 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM 1351 Views
Not really HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 02:36:41 AM 1377 Views
Yawn. Bored now. Legolas - 24/05/2013 08:18:27 PM 1313 Views
whatever *NM* HyogaRott - 28/05/2013 04:18:56 PM 766 Views
Do "unwashed masses" publicly APOLOGIZING for terrorism count? Joel - 12/08/2013 03:04:56 AM 1627 Views
Re: No, it actaully does not. Stephen - 24/05/2013 02:29:04 AM 1490 Views
Now let's not start with bullshit here Tom - 23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM 1707 Views
Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree. HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM 1298 Views
That may be so, but the response was addressed to Ben. Tom - 23/05/2013 04:13:47 PM 1405 Views
Oops, my bad messed up reading the discussion tree... HyogaRott - 23/05/2013 06:15:34 PM 1373 Views
Excellent post - anyone that thinks all religions are the same is a complete moron. Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:32:26 AM 1533 Views
I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM 1546 Views
My thoughts exactly. *NM* ironclad - 24/05/2013 09:13:18 AM 769 Views
I agree. *NM* Stephen - 24/05/2013 12:05:46 PM 835 Views
Do you think that it will truly happen? Jeordam - 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM 1477 Views
Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on. Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM 1382 Views
The first step on the road to recovery is aknowledging your responsibility for where you are and do HyogaRott - 24/05/2013 06:22:42 PM 1357 Views
Oh, so its our fault... Jeordam - 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM 1362 Views
It's always our fault *NM* ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 07:40:24 PM 957 Views
In general, I agree nossy - 24/05/2013 09:01:53 PM 1519 Views
That word "our" is interesting, don't you think? Legolas - 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM 1375 Views
That was beautiful. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/05/2013 09:12:09 PM 884 Views
No, Ghavrel was doing that ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM 1446 Views
I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point. Legolas - 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM 1285 Views
but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM 1512 Views
Exactly. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:26:57 AM 1417 Views
Hyperbole? nossy - 25/05/2013 09:57:56 PM 1265 Views
Has anyone ever told you that? Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:33:32 PM 1545 Views
No, I really don't think so. Legolas - 25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM 1333 Views
*bashes face against keyboard in frustration* ßelals Girl - 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM 1307 Views
Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then. Legolas - 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM 1466 Views
It's accurate. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:25:04 PM 852 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. nossy - 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM 1361 Views
Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others. ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM 1466 Views
Hm nossy - 26/05/2013 10:10:49 AM 1436 Views
Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM 1450 Views
Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM 1394 Views
That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM 830 Views
No ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM 1446 Views
Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that. Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM 1406 Views
Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said? ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM 1378 Views
And now you know how Muslims feel. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 03:48:33 AM 876 Views
I already knew ßelals Girl - 26/05/2013 04:02:02 AM 1325 Views
Just about every group has historically oppressed and BEEN oppressed at some time. Joel - 12/08/2013 04:00:54 AM 1452 Views
No. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:28:24 PM 1353 Views
Oh, I don't think he's talking about past "colonialism" only. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:18:11 AM 1371 Views
Possibly. Some people do, to be sure, and there is some truth in that view. Legolas - 25/05/2013 11:27:36 AM 1279 Views
What a load of bullshit. Tom - 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM 1352 Views
I don't think you can reasonably claim to separate Salafi thought from the geopolitics of the time. Ghavrel - 25/05/2013 10:23:03 PM 1389 Views
This is why I want to get the HELL out of there. Joel - 12/08/2013 04:16:39 AM 1504 Views
The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers random thoughts - 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM 1491 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that. Legolas - 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM 1324 Views
Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones) random thoughts - 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM 1451 Views
Fair enough on all counts, then. *NM* Legolas - 29/05/2013 07:37:34 PM 808 Views
No, it had a bunch of opportunistic brown folks systematically dismantling it for centuries. Joel - 12/08/2013 03:43:00 AM 1388 Views
Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM 1391 Views
Well yes. nossy - 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM 1336 Views
I would prefer to say that random thoughts - 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM 1528 Views
Of course you would. nossy - 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM 1440 Views
I in no way support profiling people based on race or religion random thoughts - 29/05/2013 04:11:01 AM 1522 Views
Ok. nossy - 29/05/2013 08:54:34 PM 1534 Views
I think about the evolution of Western religion a lot. Joel - 12/08/2013 03:23:37 AM 1750 Views
There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11. Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM 1586 Views
That isn't a grown up answer. snoopcester - 23/05/2013 04:35:16 PM 1442 Views
Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence? ßelals Girl - 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM 1427 Views
His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM 864 Views
What does he have to do to get on TV? *NM* ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 07:45:53 PM 799 Views
Statistically snoopcester - 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM 1502 Views
What kind of horrifying bugs to you guys HAVE over there??? ßelals Girl - 24/05/2013 02:13:23 PM 1487 Views
Hardly any snoopcester - 24/05/2013 02:16:46 PM 1611 Views
Your solution is profiling...because it's time to *stop* thinking all folks are the same? *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 23/05/2013 02:36:32 PM 777 Views
I don't think we've ever encouraged people to think all folks are the same Isaac - 23/05/2013 07:29:54 PM 1298 Views
"Perhaps it's time to stop thinking all folks are the same?" ~A2k Sareitha Sedai - 23/05/2013 07:49:12 PM 1303 Views
I think he's pointing to the encuragement of willful blindedness with that remark Isaac - 23/05/2013 08:15:55 PM 1353 Views
I think probably not. nossy - 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM 1392 Views
See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM 793 Views
That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM* nossy - 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM 789 Views
It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM 783 Views
Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts. nossy - 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM 1311 Views
It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM 830 Views
Yes, he did. nossy - 24/05/2013 09:30:42 PM 1354 Views
Also, don't tell him I said I take him seriously. *NM* nossy - 24/05/2013 09:34:59 PM 824 Views
But wouldn't religion-based profile activities... Jeordam - 23/05/2013 10:54:33 PM 1278 Views
My brain is slow right now, but I think I completely agree. nossy - 23/05/2013 11:00:31 PM 1420 Views
You mean like this? Larry - 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM 1490 Views
Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid random thoughts - 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM 1320 Views
+1 - Larry is an honest guy and will realize his error. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 25/05/2013 10:53:14 PM 820 Views
Numbers alone do not change the validity of such Larry - 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM 1394 Views
Yes it does. Anonymous2000 - 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM 1391 Views
*sigh* Larry - 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM 1265 Views
I think asking most Americans for recognition of a non-binary political paradigm is a bit much. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/05/2013 01:16:30 AM 833 Views
no liberalisn is sane and well thought in comparison random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:04:39 PM 1312 Views
no but they do tell a story random thoughts - 26/05/2013 04:27:26 PM 1229 Views
UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage". Anonymous2000 - 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM 1400 Views
Do you have a functional link? *NM* Stephen - 25/05/2013 12:19:01 AM 821 Views
The link works for me (Yahoo news) - here is the text. Anonymous2000 - 25/05/2013 02:05:41 AM 1582 Views
Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently? dart_board - 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM 2108 Views
Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. nossy - 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM 1457 Views
Just as a little aside Tom - 28/05/2013 12:51:48 AM 1334 Views
Ever helpful. nossy - 28/05/2013 10:23:12 PM 1531 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. dart_board - 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM 2104 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. nossy - 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM 1494 Views
Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly. dart_board - 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM 2086 Views
I'm having warm feelings. nossy - 29/05/2013 09:38:45 PM 1472 Views
Re: I'm having warm feelings. dart_board - 30/05/2013 12:46:57 AM 1897 Views
"Who else? Major League Baseball. " Joel - 12/08/2013 04:34:48 AM 1720 Views
I can't believe I missed this thread. *NM* Dan - 01/06/2013 10:08:08 AM 1101 Views
How much did you miss it, really? Joel - 12/08/2013 04:38:21 AM 1416 Views
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